Mark and Rex charge into the dangerous territory of student questions. Without preparation or forethought, they attempt to answer a question drawn from a collection of theology students.
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Hey, welcome to Jessup think I’m your host Mark Moore, and your co host Rex Gurney. And today Rex we are. I’m excited. And I’m nervous about today’s episode,
we are going where no podcast has dare to go before, which is probably not true. But
we have not heard. And we definitely have not gotten there yet. But But today we’re coming in with no topic. That’s right, no direct kind of question. But rather, we’re
coming in with a collection of questions, and we are just going to answer them on the fly, but profoundly
profoundly on the fly. And, and these are questions that actually have come up in my theology class. So I teach a Christian theology class, that’s all students have taken here. Jessup, no matter what their major is, and I love classes like that. For one, everyone has to take it. So it’s kind of job security. But B, I really like just hearing questions from different perspectives, not just maybe from the Bible majors or theology majors. And, and so the last, we cover a lot of different categories of theology, kind of the traditional ones. But then last class of every semester, I kind of take a page out of Reddit, and I just do an AMA and asked me anything, so I can just write down and they can do it anonymously. So I just give them a half sheet of paper, they write down question, I do a similar thing, you know, and I kind of answered them in class. So I’ve, I’ve seen some of these questions, depending on what I randomly grab, okay, and this is random. desk right here, right now, this is, you know, in terms of magic, we are trying to be fully transparent, at least in the studio, studio. You can trust us at home, you can trust us. And, and and so I’ve I’ve seen them on a side know, some different categories, but I’m excited Yeah. Like to, to highlight because a lot of these questions represent the deep questions, right? We have right, and people have
these questions is, yeah.
And I think it’s so important for the church for Christian universities, to, to handle and talk about the questions that people actually have, right, like, often, right? We don’t, we’re like, oh, that’s great. But I really had this question. And,
and what we’re hoping is that these if you hear some awkward pauses, then we came up with a question that is unanswerable on the air at least suggested think that’s right. And right, and I’m hoping we don’t have too many of those. I remember when I was in college, I took an Edgar Allan Poe class. And one of the few stories that I really remember by Edgar Allan Poe was this story called The imp of the perverse, where of the perverse, which is, I guess, this little, I don’t know, creature that sort of purchase on your shoulder and makes you do things, inappropriate things that you know, are going to ruin your life, but you can’t help but do it anyway. And sometimes, when I was in college, I would almost have to grasp the desk, because I would feel after I read that story that I needed to ask a completely inappropriate question that had nothing to do with anything and was a distressing question in class knowing it would ruin my semester and, and yeah, not only get me kicked out of school, but it’s like, I just almost had to ask that question. Fortunately, I never did that.
I never said come to the verse But is there I mean, this is this kind of like, you know, an angel. Is there apparently there was angel of the nonpreferred I never did ask those questions. I hope we don’t get there we go. Yeah, I’m sure there’s you know, some students out there that have that same. Alright, I pulled one okay. Out of the pile. I’m not sure I’m nervous. It’s good. It’s good. never hurt me a little bit. We’re going totally on the fly here are all right. Okay. Um, and I guess we can just kind of go like I’m seeing that Rex has not seen it yet. So I have not seen here. Okay. And and actually, I think this is a an interesting one. I’m trying to think of an answer while you’re equivocating? No, I just, I just you know, and we may have time, you know, for a couple questions that you never know. Okay. But here we go is what does the Bible say about using swear words? What is your mother say?
actually thinking about what my mother was, actually, and my mother proud graduate of Bob Jones University. So that should pretty much there we go. I’ll place her on. The theological spectrum right there. Yes, I would say that. That is basically what the commandment in Exodus 20 is talking about when it says do not take the name of the Lord in vain. Yeah, although half the swear words, I know don’t mention anything particularly religious in them might be a stretch, but that’s how it was. That’s how it was explained to me when I was growing up.
Right. And, and we had growing up, I grew up also in the Midwest, and so and they had, they had kind of added so there’s like your list of traditional swear words.
Right? And they’re probably ranked right right in there, right? Oh, yeah. top one, y’all know what that is? I’m not saying I’m not saying anything.
But we also had like a, I would say, a secondary list. Okay. And maybe even like a tertiary list of words, you could not say that weren’t on any of the main lists, but in our house, there was still like, okay, like, you couldn’t even say the words that also may be reflected. Those are other words. So it was like, three steps of removal from, from even getting close to those words, but for me, this is an interesting question. Because I think it I think it may be exposes how we, how we approach our faith, and maybe how we approach morality in that sense. And in the idea of, and we’ve had a podcast we actually had Porsche on and, and we talked about language and theology, we talked about how language affects us. And, and I do think it’s interesting of our use of language and how it affects us now in one instance, these swear words, especially and I’m and I’m assuming with with this student, and and this question, they are talking about swear words in English, right? We know Right, right. And, and so it’s already
the running through our own minds right now. So yeah, we’ve got them we’ve got them, right.
But it’s already kind of localized, right? I mean, it’s in English. And one thing that I think I’ve come to realize like okay, these are words that we have created like there’s no biblical list of words. That says knives this word
I guess, I guess maybe there is one remember a sermon on the mountain where it says do not call your brother What is it? Raka Yeah, maybe that is one that’s like the the one and forget like that word. I like that. Which is interesting because that I’ve never said I have never said my life either. However, if it means I think the translation often in English is like fool, right? Right. But we we tried to ban the word stupid in our house because our my two sons would always be calling each other stupid. Stupid was like the real swear word. Yeah, that we pretty unsuccessfully tried to ban but actually, maybe we were trying to avoid the rocker Yeah. syndrome in our house. I
think so. Well, and that’s, that’s, I think the bigger issue too, right? It’s not the word itself. But it is the spirit behind right right, what
comes out of your heart
and how we are using those words. I mean, often sometimes we use words to to maybe build up our anger maybe to express our anger maybe to express our emotions. And, and I think that’s the key. I mean, I know you know, if you’ve grown up in the church, sometimes you can be like, Okay, what is the list of words? Right and anytime you do that all it does is make those other words more fun to say exactly like it’s kind of like the whole Parental Advisory sticker on CDs right? Like once that came in all those CDs sales shot through the roof because people were like, Oh our parents don’t want to listen don’t right
I’m gonna like trying to boycott something is actually the very worst thing you can do. I want to actually you know, punish the China boycott
now and I and I heard a read a really interesting story about this is it’s actually came from his a secular Jewish writer came AJ Jacobs. Oh, I know. He’s living biblically living, living living, which is, which is a really interesting read. I read that years ago and excellent read. He’s a great writer. And, and it was it was interesting to hear him talking about all the different rules that he had to you know, and he does a frame by frame picture of him every day for you know, 365
years with him having to like up stones in the park. So, how do I do that? Yeah. On the adulterer pick up pebbles and life throws direction doesn’t specify what
size of rock. So he had a little handful of pebbles. Yeah, but he talked about cursing. So I’m gonna, I’m assuming he’s kind of understanding this maybe this question or that passage in Exodus in that similar way, right? So he was like, Okay, I’m gonna not gonna curse I’m not I’m not going to say these words. So he replaced different words. He was like, Well, I’m, I know, I’m gonna say something. So so he, he got a list of replacement, and he made the replacement words. Just ridiculous, right? So and, and he’s like, Alright, and he’s and he noticed something though. That was interesting. Like when he would, he lives in New York City. And so he’d be, you know, late to catch the train or the subway he missed, or he’d walked new run down the station in miss it. And he’d be, you know, in past he would be furious, right? Like, because he’s gonna, now he’s putting maybe a half hour on him getting somewhere that he needs to go. And so he started to replace those words of just being like, all Fiddlesticks Oh, shucks, Uh huh. And he started saying them. And he then he started laughing to himself, because the word is just is just ridiculous. And then he noticed something really interesting, though. He wasn’t angry about missing his train anymore. And he noticed diffused the anger. He noticed that when he is interested,
because a lot of people will use those words to actually escalate, escalate. switches, switches. Interesting. Another thing that, and this has been remarked a number of times, you know, when we’re talking about the the use of of these words, that we all know what we’re talking about right now, I’ve noticed a lot of people will use some of these words, as I don’t know, punctuation, which is really interesting, right? So instead of almost saying like, um, or in Spanish quests or something like that, they’ll they’ll toss an F bomb. And they’ll just, you know, yeah. Which is really interesting. But I think on a number of levels, that’s interesting, one of which is sort of a coarsening of our society in a way. Yeah,
Which kind of almost diffuses the language in some ways, right. But one thing I’ve often thought about is a lot of, you know, these curse words and such have sexual connotations. Yeah. And, and if if it courses, everything, it can’t help, but in some ways, I don’t know. corson. You know, human intimacy, right. Yeah, I’m just kind of, I don’t know, dumbing down everything. Yeah. And and I think that is actually something to be alarmed at.
That really is and, and I think it’s something to be aware of. Now, I think there’s also been a, I would say, a movement within the church and maybe even a movement within even evangelicalism. And part of it is, I think, been reactionary, right. Probably reactionary to the the cussing preacher. I
think we all know who we’re talking about. Right? Right.
Right. Right. Well, ours. It’s kind of like, it’s a reaction against maybe an ultra conservative and the legalism. Yeah, Anna. legalism is like saying, Oh, you have all of these words, I can’t say. And there’s almost been the pendulum swing, and like now to be a cool Christian, right? I use these words. And, and, and I understand that reaction. And because because the legalism doesn’t help, either. It’s not like, Oh, I don’t use those words. And it’s like, Well, yeah, but you still want to murder someone in your heart. So you’re not off the hook. Right? Like, right, you’re still calling someone to fall in your mind. Exactly. And which, you know, I
think Jesus had a lot to say about and that might actually be worse.
Right. Right. And so so I, I really understand that that it’s like, This word is not the problem. It’s our heart is the problem right? Then on the other side, it also we need to be aware of how language affects us how language affects our belief how language just can’t like you say couldn’t just corson things or thumb down
and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. That’s one of the most untrue statements Yeah, I’ve ever been said. It’s turned into a cliche. It what really will hurt you and what you do remember the things that people said to you? Yeah.
Very true. That’s why in the message translation, so Eugene Peterson paraphrase And Proverbs, I love how he handles this one verse about words. He just says words are either poison or fruit.
One thing I really love about Peterson is that he is a craftsman of language. Yeah, he really is really is. Yeah.
And you can see, and I’ve always loved that. Yeah, words are poison or fruit, like they either have the power to give life, the power of killing you you choose? Yes, I guess.
Before we go on to the next question, there’s a couple of things that you can say about this, that are just sort of running through my head right now. One is, and I don’t really know what to think about this one of the, and I’m going to try to deliberately make this vague. One of the best books on apologetics that I’ve ever read, that I’ve often thought would be really helpful to some of our students who are just, I could never use in class. And I could never officially recommend because the author, for whatever reason, you know, tosses an F bomb, and almost every page, right? And I actually, outside of that really love that book. It’s an excellent book, but it’s the language makes it you know, on difficulties, at least I can have in class. And the second thing is, is so both of us grew up sort of very conservative, right. And we probably came up with alternatives to the words that we were not supposed to write. So I have my Baptist cuss words. Yes, actually, we’ll go around the house grumbling them sometime, right. Yeah, I just wonder what’s yours. I’ll start right. Wow, like? I don’t know. I don’t know. But it’s pretty bad. But it’s okay. Because you Okay, yeah, discussing it. I’ve never actually used any of those words. Right. Right. I just have the thoughts behind them, which once again, puts me in the same predicament.
Yeah, yeah, I had a, I played on a traveling baseball team in high school. And I was one of probably the only Christians on the team or that the coach knew of Cosmo, my friend and I were came from a Christian school and we were playing on the team. Okay. My, I think my maybe my friend had already proven to my coach that he he did not need to be worried around this friend. Okay. But the coach, like, really nice and really respected. Like he knew I was from there. And I never talked to him about anything. Like, he just no, Christian maybe knew, you know, maybe. Certainly, well, I didn’t I wasn’t at all but like, he would come out like I was an infielder. So he would, you know, he would come out, talk to the pitcher, we’d all be together, and he would yell at us, like, you know, get our heads in the game. And then he would curse and he would always like curse and then go sorry, Mark.
thinking the same thing right now, Pastor that would have people all the time. It’s like, yeah, forgive me, preacher. But right. So you know, I don’t know, I’m so delicate. I’ve never heard that word before, right. It’s just,
that’s how when I, when I when I meet people, like if like, especially when the boys were in younger soccer. I mean, you know, meet families, we’d be talking and then we’re just be talking like normal. And then the dreaded, you know, what do you do for a living question, right? And I was like, I’m a pastor. And it was kind of like, Oh, I’m so sorry. If I said anything, you know? And I’m like, Hey, no, it’s fine. I just, I took down note, it was five words, I wrote it in my journal, and I’m gonna, you know, like, but it’s interesting that, that that has become such a part of culture, right? That even outside of the church, people still think, okay, they are the church. I can’t use those words.
I’ll notice it now, when people actually don’t use profanity in their language as punctuation, right? Because it’s so common, especially the gym. I mean, I go everyday. Right, right. My gosh, yeah. And I’ll just sort of some folks won’t do that. And, and I actually, you know, appreciate it. You know, language is really important. Yeah. And some language is problematic. It just is.
Right. And I think another thing he said that, that I think is interesting, is, maybe in this, we’ve talked a little bit about this on the podcast, but this issue maybe kind of comes up more in the area of the arts, in movies, books, and, and, and there is kind of, oftentimes a reaction maybe against it, you know, or like this book, or this movie, uses this sort of this song uses this type of language. And I think it’s really important for us to kind of walk through that because it’s not just a thing of like, Oh, yeah, if anything has those words in it, they’re on the blacklist.
There are some, well, let’s just say Christian websites that you can go to that are movie review web, right, right. And they actually will have You know, lists of counter of these words how many times you’re using it, which is interesting, because someone actually has to sit there with a, you know, with a form and watch the movie and the only thing they’re watching for is this language. Yeah. And, you know, I mean, I can, I can understand how those lists might be helpful for what you would want your kids to see or not see. And, yeah, and, you know, I think we’ve already established that some of that language is problematic, right? But where to where it gets really interesting in the arts, and where these questions really come in as well, a second movie, for instance. Um, so the movie has, you know, some depictions of, of gratuitous sex in it and, and language that, you know, we hear all the time, but isn’t a movie. Right, right. And so some folks would say, Well, you know, the movie supposed to be a realistic portrayal of what actually happened. So we have to listen. And I know, some Christian, like, you know, people that are involved in the industry really struggle with this. It’s like, you want it realistic. But there’s another flip side of that, too. Yeah. Like, it’s like, so are you reflecting culture? Or are you like, causing culture? Are you perpetuating culture in that? And that’s, you know, that’s a difficult question. I mean, yeah, you can make arguments on both sides of that.
And I definitely, and I agree, and I kind of maybe lean more towards, like, of art, having that authenticity, and you’re not going to have maybe a character, you know, be like, oh, shucks, Oh, darn. You know, it’s like, right, Mayberry anymore, like, and so I can see that. And I think sometimes maybe we get so caught up, though, on that language that we may be missed, then the bigger the bigger picture, right? And right. And even with, you know, you kind of brought up like, kids. Yeah, I mean, with our boys, like, obviously, there are words, I don’t want my boys to say, here, or if they’re I walked by their, you know, room and they’re listened to a song and I hear like just a barrage of words and like, turn it off, you know, or find something new. But I’m also trying to really be intentional of coming back in and saying, hey, it’s not just about those rights, right? You give a reason. Yeah. It’s your, hey, how is that song? Like, that’s really low. What is that song saying? Like, how is that really helpful? Right? How is that right? How is it?
About people? Yeah, and definitely the way you interact with people. Yeah. And, and right.
And so I do think it’s, it’s been an interesting, I mean, for me, one of my, maybe one of my fears is that I don’t want like my my sons, or, or just any kind of new Christians to be like, okay, Christianity is where I can’t say those words. And I can’t do it’s like, well, that’s not the checklist, Christian is because you could not say those words at all, and still not have Jesus in your heart and be changed at all. Totally. And so, I think part of probably why this question would come up in a in a college theology class, is that the student is probably struggling with like, Man, I’ve heard my whole life Don’t say this, don’t do that. Is that really a part of the mesh? Like I think that’s even what the question is saying. What does the Bible say Booker’s right so that that expose a lot like they’re saying, okay, Bible, they’re they’re grasping this idea of Bible is normative, right? rival is? What does it say? And we do have to be careful about what we add to the Bible. And and I think in this instance, the Bible does speak in more generalities, right, it doesn’t have a list of English. I mean, it doesn’t have a list of English words. And so it’s giving us these principles. Right, right. Right. Like, and, and I know, I know, the whole principle of like, only think of things that are pure and good, you know, that, you know, is running is right, you know, because then that’s, you know, that’s kind of like what people would tell me, like, therefore, why you can never read Hemingway or Steinbeck. Like, only think about things that are nice. It’s like, Well,
you know, that were submit that that verse has meant to me and I actually have it written down several places. No three by five cards, not because I necessarily have a cursing problem. I’m pretty puritanical. Actually. You know, that’s maybe it’s the Bob Jones stuff sort of rubbed off on me. It’s hard to but you know, I I can get very cynical, huh, yeah. And I can think the worst of people. Yeah. And I think that that, you know, that verse in Philippians, does speak to that too. And so these think that things are pure is more of a, you know, think of the the image of God and people right as much as what words I can or cannot say all the times. They’re linked, you know,
Sometimes they are going Raka. And you’re saying something. And that’s what? I think we need to highlight that for maybe the swing that has happened now, right? It’s like, hey, words do they can be linked, okay? We don’t want to link them to legalism, right? But but they can be linked. And just just to be aware of that aware of, how is this? How is this language? Yeah, helping me see the good and other people or
I’ve always thought when, when I’m looking at that Pinnacle on that pendulum that’s just sort of talking about, you know, moving from, you know, very puritanical, don’t use any of these words, because of whatever. And then you swing all the way over to the other side, because, you know, you want to be free to do all things in Christ basically. Right, right. It’s a factor. It’s it’s a, you know, a drag being looked down on by all your friends. But anyway, right. But both extremes, I think, are actually missing the point. both extremes are right. And sometimes I think that following Jesus is like, a knife edge middle. And not because it’s just sort of the Aristotelian golden mean, or something between two things. That’s not what I’m talking about, is sort of like if I’m walking a tightrope between falling off into legalism or libertinism, which is easy to fall off, right? The only way I can walk that rope is is, is by looking at Jesus and holding his hand on me honestly, because I cannot walk that road, right? Isn’t that what we’re supposed to be doing anyway?
Right. Exactly. And I think that’s, that’s really good advice. Because it’s a it’s a balance, and it is a balancing act, then, of not falling off on either sides. And so if we can’t do ourselves, not at all, yeah. Well, I think that was a good question like that, you know, just came out of the grab bag. And that actually kind of filled up our time. Okay. For the for the guys, but we know that we’re going to do this again, right, this is we have a stack of questions that could take us many years to go through and looking at that stack. Right. And, and it’s, and it’s just, there’s just gonna be more questions added to it from not only my class, but also we want to give kind of you the listener has chance, right, as well, right? We would love to interact with questions you have. And so kind of some obvious ways to hit us with some questions would be through Twitter or Instagram. But also, like, if you want to go maybe a little old school, and you want to email us, you can email us at Jessup. email@example.com you can email us and we’ll have a an episode in the future. Right. And
we’ll have a third party look at these questions. So actually, it will be the same sort of general setup. Like the questions are before and so you know, you’ll we’ll be testing our mettle.
Although today, uh, we’ve had years of of homework on cursing. Yeah. It was. It was
right. That’s it? That was an easy first question. And it was drawn from the middle of the pack. And it was, it was not nice. Mark is a magician. I set up today,
I had it up my sleeve. And I learned how to deal from the bottom of the deck. Okay, I would be terrible at that. I would be so nervous. And maybe one of those other questions actually deals with gambling. Now what, but I think that that was, it was helpful, because it is a lot of different areas that that that can reach. And so you may have been listening to this. And we do we’re probably speaking to people on both sides of the extreme. So some people were listening to me like, you need to be more definitive on Right. Right. And then other ones are like, what’s your believe they’re even talking to us? Right. But
if the question was a real question, and yeah, I’m up and those sales continue to come up.
Yeah. Does and and I think it is, like, really exploring not just writing things off one way or the other. But hey, let’s really explore
and we take all these questions seriously. Yeah, there’s no little facetious question.
Not at all. Well, I’m excited to end the show today with our fun reoccurring segment. Student becomes the teacher becomes a student. I know over these, these episodes that we’ve released these little easter eggs at the end, that I’ve really learned a lot. And I’m excited to have Matthew Todd back on the show. It’s good to be back on the show guys just for you know, the official maybe turn it into a third co host for Jessup thing that said I’m hoping lots if I play my cards, right, yeah, plan. Right. You can you can get there. But I had a question for you. Man. That is that is a little more Jessup oriented. kind of looking at Jessup for sure. But it might. Yeah, it might might be interesting to I want to get your take on this. But now being a sophomore so you kind of been here for going on a couple years. You’ve been around. You’ve had Had some family who’s been here before? Yeah. And so coming to Jessup, what’s the one thing that has surprised you about Jessup? Like you got here, you may had preconceived notions of what Jessup would be like, what are we to do? What’s the one thing you got here? And you’re like, oh, wow, that kind of surprised me. I didn’t see that. And see that coming?
It’s a great question. There’s so many answers I could think of for this because honestly, just anything about college in general is very surprising and shifting with Jessa. Specifically, I’d say it is the strange combination of how quickly and how slowly things can get done. So right. I came in, I just signed up like, first day, I or not first a first week, they had, they mentioned that they were doing student government, basically signups but you would run, but my sister encouraged me to run for a position that was unopposed to that I would have to There you go. Yeah, that’s a great strategy. I know, I was gonna run against my friends to basically spite her. But then I decided, you know why, right? do that? Yeah. Why? Why be that guy. Exactly. So I got on it. And within the first meeting, or two, we had already proposed a change to Jessa policy for when the policy I’ve called, like, open hours, where it’s like the hours that guys can go into girls dorms, and vice versa, we’d already changed a policy to fix that and make it a little bit longer so that people could have more time to hang out earlier day. And we got it done. We got it move through the process so quickly, and it felt like it was just like, as long as you just care about something enough, and you push it right. Can’t get it done with that kind of stuff. Wow.
So what you might be saying is here, Jessup students do have a voice. Yeah, I like that.
Yeah. Especially because in the government too. It’s funny people under utilize it to like the Student Government. I’m not on it anymore. But I’m like the go, they actually need usually agenda items. So like, what do people want, and people will complain about things a lot behind the scenes. But I wish this would be changed. But they don’t take these the meaningful step you can take is just to email the government and then they can have does a document of Oh, this is an actual complaint. People actually wish there was a pool or something like that.
Right? Hey, yeah. Where is that pool? Let’s make that happen. Well, that’s cool. Yeah, that is that I mean, I have appreciated that too, about Jessup is that the ability to kind of have an idea have someplace and also then the freedom to explore what implementing that would look like. And I’m really glad to I really do think that this does highlight Jessup is the involvement students get to have in that process and their students can play a part. And students can even be on podcast there they can start their own podcast Think about that. That’s crazy. Exit 311 over here hosts
I know and just think friend of the show
friend of the show Yeah, I mean, think about that. Yeah, well, that’s cool. What what’s maybe something that you’ve been you’ve been wondering about that? You know, you’re like I need to wait till this segment and I can ask Mark I have
to wait this is my time to understand things so I asked is not as a spokesman in my generation but as a your your unofficially spoke Exactly. So for those of my generation, I know some of you specifically who would get almost malic acid question, but I don’t get it. Why must ask. Okay, so what is the deal with the Beatles? I get I get it, they make music? It doesn’t sound so like so much. The League of like the major. Yes, they did. Okay, but like so I listened to other content. Like I like the Beach Boys better than the Beatles. I listened to them. I’m like, I like this better. And, but like the Beach Boys, even though they usually treat is like pretty good. are not like the Beatles are like this icon. It’s like lead right? Oh, yeah. And like, you can look up like on Time Magazine, whenever they have like the list of the Greatest Artists of All Time and the Beatles. It’s not like, you know, like classical music or anything of that. It’s like the Beatles and I want to know if I’m missing something like if I’m not just diving into music enough for what
and fun fact the Beatles were really only together for like six years, which is crazy. I mean, like, some bands like YouTube rolling stones have been together for 150 years. Exactly. before you were born. Yeah, they are basically just walking skeletons. They are in life. Right? But the know the beat Okay, so here’s the here’s because they are really a band that has been able to span these generations and and have an influence. And and here’s really why I think one of the I mean, I think their music is amazing. And they’re in songwriting specifically, right. Paul McCartney and john lennon being able to write songs and then even Pearson And then Ringo Starr even be able to write even though Ringo just has kind of like yellow submarine. And so yeah, but he still has like these ideas that that can hook. But the ability to write some of these songs, that that’s stand the test of time, I think is really what sets artists apart because they are performing And there are bands and I love the Beach Boys too. Actually the first band I was ever in was in an air band in like, third grade and we played badminton rackets to Beach Boys songs, and we performed in front of the classroom. And so I love the Beach Boys, but the Beach Boys kind of have like one sound and one style. Hmm. And that’s it. But the Beatles, The Beatles really evolved with culture as it evolved. I mean, the Beatles started out moptop. suit and tie. Yeah, she loves me. Yeah, yeah, right, like, and then as culture exploded in the 60s, and mid 60s, to enter the late 60s, The Beatles didn’t just stick with that same formula that sold them a bunch of records at the beginning got them on The Ed Sullivan Show. They change in fact, they kind of led to culture a little bit. So when you think even like late 50s going into earlier, maybe like at this point, you’re still early 60s. And you have an album like revolver come out. And it’s like, Whoa, Mike, you need to listen to this. This is somehow capturing this cultural anks as I yeah, there really is the Zeitgeist as capturing that. And it’s putting into words something that maybe a bunch of people had thought but didn’t know how to express it. And then, man, you have these, and even if you disagree, or this or that with their theology, and then they’ll be a different class, right theology, The Beatles. Yeah, that would be, but I think that they captured it. And that’s why I think they have such a lasting impact. Because they, they not only evolved with culture, but I think in certain areas, they were out on the front end, and they put music and words to experiences. Our culture was having generations were having at that time, that they were like, yes, that’s what I’m feeling. And it kind of moved culture. And then they just been able to, like, hang with that. I mean, especially looking at Paul McCartney, still, even Ringo was just in town recently, just here. And and and being in early 80s. And still having that influence. still having that songwriting technique. And, and so that’s really I mean, for me, the Beatles are not just because they’re, they’re other songwriters. And maybe you could say, Are there better songwriters out there? I still think that we would have to debate on that. Because there’s something about writing a song both lyrically and melody. And something that they were able to capture they were able to capture melodies that just last right. And then they were able to just capture that the zite. Guys, they really did. And I think that’s what made them like a band that is always on the top because they were just a part, especially this pivotal part in US history and American and world history. Yeah, coming over from England, but really capturing like, what happened in the 60s, that just totally changed. I mean, it literally changed. Civilization. That’s crazy.
That’s incredible. There you go. So maybe, maybe go back and give, you know, give the Beatles another lesson. And then in the mindset of the 60s, not like the full like, right mindset of the 60s, but
you know, yeah, yeah, we’re Yeah. Not full 60s. Right. Yeah. Just in the mindset of, of culture changing just just the john lennon glasses, right? Yeah. Maybe they could be like, pink or purple haze. Right. So you can kind of see through that lens. Yes, he’s the lens. But that that will now I think that will help you see why the Beatles are so important. Okay. And then I think too, with maybe generations why they’ve been is that parents have been passed them down. Yeah, definitely. No, it’s what’s interesting for me is my parents. were a part of the early Beatles kind of generation. So the records I got passed down to me were moptop. suit and tie Beatles. Yeah. And it really wasn’t till college where I started hearing like, oh, wow, Sergeant Pepper’s, and then revolver later, you know, like, yeah, that that type of movement. And, and I think it was interesting to see that, that cultural change. So cool. So yeah, give the Beatles another nother Listen, I could, I could preach for another half hour if I may. Yeah. I’m gonna like I should go and actually they say struck a chord and content chord. Thanks for that. All right. Well, hey, thanks again. I look forward to having you back on the show. I look forward quest bags. Yeah, of course. I’ll get some good ones. Thank you for listening to Jessup. Think Be sure to follow us on Twitter at Jessup think we would love to hear your thoughts on the episode and engage with any questions you have. Our aim is to provide a framework for further reflection. And deeper exploration of these important topics. You can also help the show by leaving a review on iTunes. These reviews help the podcast reach new listeners. Until next time, I’m Mark Moore and this is Jessup.
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