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Vietnam, Monkees, and Classic Reruns

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Vietnam, Monkees, and Classic Reruns
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Julius Rex Gurney III, professor of History and voice of reason, joins the show for the first time in his role as an esteemed cohost. Mark and Rex are joined by friend of the show Derek Martin, director of the Theater Arts program. The three discuss the role of generational influence on pop culture and the church.


TRANSCRIPT

0:08
All right, welcome to Jessup think I’m your host, Mark Moore. Or should I say one of your hosts, but we will get to that in a second. But I want to welcome back on the show friend of the show, or you only have to be on the show twice to be a friend of the show. So you’re now friend of the show. Professor and Director of our theater arts program, Derek Martin. Thank you. Welcome back. Welcome back. I wanted to fix a T shirt for that, like friend of the show. Yeah, we can we can start making started. That could be part of our merchandise. Okay. Okay. That’ll be unfolding over this. Okay. Over there. I’ll be on the lookout for this. Right. Yeah, be ready. Social media. It’ll be out there. But Derek, I’m glad you’re here on this episode. Because we do have is kind of a special episode. In many ways. Special in the sense that as as hosts, I’ve also convinced another friend of the show, to to be a reoccurring co host with me. There’ll be a voice and and he is the the one in the only the voice of wisdom and reason. History, Professor of History and theological award winner always throw that in. Julius Rex Gurney the third. So

1:27
do I get my T shirt? Now? You do. Okay. Okay, I feel better about myself.

1:31
And I know, you go we know I mean, we’ll mostly be calling you Rex, you go by Rex around the school. But if I had the name Julius Rex guarantee the third, I would have it on a T shirt, and I would wear it around. Totally. I’d be like, this is literally my name.

1:45
So you don’t understand what being named Julius gonna be the third means on an elementary school playground. That’s true. That’s why I’m Rex. That’s why I’m right.

1:54
I’m thinking purely college professor.

1:57
Okay, okay. That name is sort of too late now. Right? It’s sort of, yeah, it was even on my high school diploma, bizarrely enough, because everybody knows me by that.

2:05
Yeah. Everybody knows you by Rex. So that’s cool. That’s awesome. That is amazing. One. Rex. And Eric, I wanted you on the show today to discuss an observation that I made recently. So I teach a class entitled scripture and pop culture, which is a really fun class to teach. Because my research mostly consists of watching copious amounts of Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, video prime, HBO, YouTube, YouTube TV, which you do anyway. Yeah. I’m already. So in this way. It gives me a great excuse. Like when people walk into my office, sometimes on my iPad, I’m like, I’m research, research, research and for class, when my wife needs me to help out, I’m like, I’m really busy. Right now. So I’ll get to the trash later. This is like the 15th time I’m watching the office. And I’m really it’s about who’s paying the bills around here. Yeah, exactly. I know, we can get sponsorships by Oh, by the big, the big five. But as I was kind of watching and over break, definitely kind of watching in preparation for the class. I just started to notice something. And I started to notice that within pop culture, there’s a heavy amount of what what I’ve started to call generational influence. And I think often we think of pop culture as new and cutting edge and whatever other words, you want to add there, right? That it’s out front of culture. And sometimes we’re like, I can’t keep up with pop culture type of thing. But what was interesting is I I started noticing, when you actually look at popular cultural artifacts, that they have a heavy amount of generational influence. So the culture creators, the writers, producers, directors, artists, who are kind of creating these really are bringing with them cultural values that they experienced when they were younger. And in a previous generation. Yeah, they’re creating their own experience. Yeah. And so so for example, I was watching rewatching, a couple episodes of the classic late 80s, early 90s hit The Wonder Years. So hope you’re both familiar with The Wonder Years. Yes, Kevin? Yes. Kevin and Winnie Cooper. Yes, that’s right. changed my life. Because I was going into kind of upper elementary middle school when that show was released. So I could connect with Kevin like, I felt like Kevin Arnold like I was just like, this is mine. But as I’m rewatching it, I realized, this is there, you know, I’m watching it in the 80s and 90s. And it’s really telling the story of a middle schooler in the late 60s. Hmm. And so Vietnam is a big theme, kind of that cultural revolution is a big theme, Kevin’s older sister’s a hippie, and they kind of explore how she doesn’t fit in with the rest of the family, you know, and the dad and mom just don’t understand, because they still are carrying kind of that idealistic age of the 50s and early 60s. And, and so it’s, it’s really interesting that those type of shows a lot of the shows, and then I started thinking more about a lot of the shows that premiered when I was in kind of junior high, even High School, were written or created by people who were really carrying on the themes of the late 60s 70s. And I was kind of learning about it through their lens. And then also looking back on my pop culture viewing habits as a child, which again, was before the age of the internet, even you probably for all three of us. And when there was like four or five channels available. But I watched a lot of classic reruns. I mean, I look at a lot of the shows I watch. I Love Lucy Three’s Company, the monkeys, Laverne and Shirley. Like, those were the shows I watched regularly. And, and I was 10 1112. You know, watching those. And so the generational influence was not only within the culture of creators in the new shows, but also just that I grew up watching a lot of these old shows. So when you kind of look at your life, maybe Derek, how have you noticed maybe generational influence and pop culture in your own life? And

6:45
oh, yeah, well, in my own life, I mean, I feel like everything basically stopped at the 80s. I mean, I think that for my whole life. I love 80s Music 80s cartoons. I’m like, I just didn’t think it got better than the 80s. But as you look through it, I think definitely. there’s a there’s a few things that drive kind of the pop culture bus. I think the past is one of those things. I think the past definitely people are looking back nostalgically. And and then you look at the producers, the age of the producers is often right. Older than the average pop culture. So there’s an influence there between the producer you are Yeah, the viewer. Other things that drive it, I think our technology, I think technology has a tremendous influence on on pop culture, how it’s delivered, what people are going through how they’re engaging with it.

7:38
I think that’s a really good point, right? Because like when I was chatting, there wasn’t that many channels. So in some ways I had to watch I Love Lucy and Three’s Company. Literally everything that had Anna grew up out in the country. So we didn’t have cable, or anything like that. So there was the rat race. Yeah, whatever could come in through the rabbit here. And be like, Dad, you need to get back on the roof and change the antenna like this isn’t coming in. For anyone out there who doesn’t know what a rabbit ear is? It’s an old antenna, though. Yeah. But you moved it around. Right? Yeah, we did. We’re on the cutting edge. But now, like Netflix, and things are more available. And what I’ve noticed with students, is they’re watching these old shows. Yeah, there’s a retro, yeah, like those shows are coming back. And they’re now available. And while there’s, they can choose any show they want. Many of them are choosing to watch those shows from the 90s or early 2000s. So yeah, it’s interesting technology does play what to bring this sort of into a kind of an academic II sort of thing, which I guess I’m here for that. Yeah. Anyway, the name like really

8:48
ordained and predestined that this would happen. But I was actually reading a book A few years ago, and I actually use this kind of rubric in my Christian perspective classes. There was an author, he actually I think, is the editor. First things right now are Reno and I always wonder what our R stands for. But anyway, he talked sort of about the difference between a modern vibe and a postmodern vibe by contrasting it to Promethean humanism, which is sort of a modernist kind of thing we can kind of utopian, we can sort of save the world through technology, etc. Yeah, but the postmodern vibe. He called it patrone, and humanism, which is really interesting, because that sort of has this ironic detachment about everything. You know, sort of jaded about, you know, truth claims and all this kind of stuff. And right in some ways, I’m wondering if some of this sort of, you know, recapturing of of earlier decades in pop culture by contemporary millennials istep just sort of an ironic vibe with it. Yeah, you know, which, which might be a little different than what you know, is What some people think is communicated through this?

10:04
Yeah, I think there is a little bit of irony involved with in some of the things that even come back better in fashion. Exactly like that. Exactly. Yeah, I’m wearing this is cool. But it’s kind of ironic, right? You know, I walk around and some students are wearing the exact same glasses that I had in third grade. My God, why are you wearing those glasses like that scarred my third grade year, and you’re choosing to do it? And yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s a little bit, obviously, irony.

10:35
However, the values, though, that are, you know, taught and or, you know, brought brought forth in these artifacts of pop culture are still there. And so, I think the influence is still valid, then you’re talking about?

10:50
Yeah, I also, I also think when you’re looking at pop culture there, there are always two sides to the story, there is the direction that culture is going, which people are just just by being alive in the moment, are part of they have to take part in it? The technology, everything that’s coming out right now, people have to do it. But then pop culture always moves in a direction, but usually has some stragglers that it leaves behind. Like, there’s another side that is not engaging. And you’ll that’s where I find the interest in the retro and stuff, people are missing something or connecting with something that was from a different time, a simpler time, something where our current culture is not feeding that but a different time, a different era, it was was meeting a need that people see. So I think when they look at some of that, it’s it’s filling a gap that our current culture isn’t filling,

11:45
right. And some writers about pop culture. romanovski, for instance, basically says that nostalgia has always been a driver of popular culture.

11:54
All right. Yeah. And in my life, it is a huge driver. You know, I mean, when I’m watching those, I’m like, man, I remember. Or when I see something, yeah, from even from the, from the 90s. Or that, and it reminds me of for sure. Oh, that’s how that’s how our house look like those. And my house was basically like a time capsule of the 6070 babies. And then in the 90s when I grew up, and I look back, I’m like, yeah, oh, yeah, I think our curtains were from the 60s. I think our couches maybe got updated in the 80s. And, and I can see those in shows. even see the humor, yeah, all that and, and you see that nostalgic aspect.

12:39
And that’s just, I mean, that’s just human nature. I think it’s kind of embarrassing. The stuff I will listen to on my car, I have to roll up the windows in the summer, because, you know, nobody wants to wants to listen to stuff. Next to me, but you know, it reminds me a college and I’m sorry, you know, I want to be transported back there. So you I have a

12:57
I have a playlist on Spotify that is just as not public. And it’s called moody college blues. And they were all like, the sad songs that I listened to they were all 90s except

13:10
speaking about appropriation of culture, though, some of the stuff coming back. You know, there’s sort of a, at least among some millennials, kind of a reengagement with, you know, 70s, and 80s sort of stuff on its own level. I know, I know, I, you know, actually took my 13 year old son, he actually went with me to see the Smashing Pumpkins just last summer. But it’s like, we went there for different reasons. And we actually had this sort of sociological thing where we were looking at all the folks it’s like, you know, what age did you think people were going to be? You know, you know it, they get the concert. And, you know, for me, it was kind of just stuff I liked in the 90s. for him. It was stuff he grew up with in our house listened to in the 90s. Oh, yeah. And which is just really interesting to kind of noticed that about people that were there. Yeah. And that’s just sort of one example, I would never think that he would actually want to go see them, because his musical tastes are very different. But it just brought back something.

14:05
It was a connection with you. And maybe a connection Yeah, with your childhood. And so looking back on those artifacts, kind of connects you back to that and, and I can see that Yeah, my own life and how, I think, for me to what what has been interesting. And if this was a a video podcast, the listeners would be able to see your wonderful t shirt racks, which is a T shirt, Fred Rogers,

14:33
the neighbor holding a trolley shoe and he has a halo trolley.

14:40
We’ll post we’ll post a picture on Twitter, but the trolley is kind of like the Sacred Heart, your heart.

14:46
Yes. And interestingly enough, there is a well reviewed documentary about him. Yes, a lot of people have gone to see and really moved there. And this is something from the start in the 60s actually talk about production values. But you know, don’t aren’t up to snuff now, but I sort of didn’t matter. And it was sort of the point. Right? Yeah. And there’s sort of people gravitating to that, in some ways now.

15:11
Well, and that, that what I find fascinating about Fred Rogers is he was a pop culture icon, who is very countercultural, right? Which was fascinating. Because I mean, if you even listened to the music, it wasn’t like that music was hip or into the pop culture that and everybody was listening to it. And everybody of various ages would watch the show. It wasn’t just it. Yes, it was predominantly a children’s show. But I mean, I watched it off and on for years, long after childhood, it kind of started Right, right, you know, and now and now, of course, if that was reruns, I’m sure it would, it would do very well. Yeah. But it was not given an Oscar nomination. No, it was

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time. Yeah. So we wonder where those Academy voters were doing. They’re probably watching Sesame Street or something. Yeah,

15:58
no. But I think with that show, and Sesame Street does bring up for me a kind of another idea of that generational influence. Because Yeah, when we were younger, pride day, this was like, I mean, I remember watching Mr. Rogers, and that was the show as I was a kid watching and Sesame Street. Now I look back and realize they were Yeah. And well, I think it’s a really good observation that Fred Rogers was counterculture of the time. They were really teaching us a new generation about the cultural values and stuff that they had just learned cemented, from the late 60s and 70s. Yeah, you know, in Sesame Street, hey, how can we not discriminate against people? How can we all be together? How can we understand that sometimes your neighbor is going to be crunchy or grouchy and live in a trash can, and we still need to be nice to him and interact? And, and so it was really this influence when I was a kid, again, coming from cultural values from the 60s and

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70s. In some ways, I think Fred Rogers, who was doing the same thing just sort of differently. I mean, I don’t think the value vibe in the two shows is that different but I wonder if, if Mr. Rogers Neighborhood has weathered better than Sesame Street?

17:16
That’s an interesting, yeah. You know, what’s fascinating about him? Is that what the difference between him and Sesame Street is he did all of the voices or All right, exactly. played the piano for the road, all the little songs, all the songs, everything. So I mean, that was he, you know, of course, had What was her name that was with him? Yeah, I know, there’s that. But, um, but I mean, by and large, the show was him. It was amazing. And then his guests, right? That’s such a difference, right? Just in terms of scope, and what he was trying to accomplish and what he was personally responsible for.

17:52
I assumed that mark wants us to move this conversation a little bit towards the church in our professional culture.

17:59
Hey, hey, daddy. Now, you can say, hey, as a co host, you have you have the right. co host thing? I’m waiting for the T shirt. Actually. No, it’s in production. Okay, it’s in production. But I get for me when I started thinking about generational influence. From one just recognizing it was big. I was like, Oh, wow. Yeah, I’m like, seeing some of these themes. Like when I was growing up, and in the Midwest, 80s and 90s. Vietnam was a big theme. Whether it was in a lot of shows, there were a lot of shows about Vietnam, a lot of people I knew were affected by

18:35
mash actually was not about Korea. It was about Vietnam, sort of everybody knew it at the time. All 100 kind of like a wink. Yes,

18:42
yeah. And so he’s looking at that type of influence. Like, yeah, I didn’t, obviously, I didn’t realize that as a child. I’m just watching things now looking back. So for one, just recognizing it. And one, I think, for me, one of the implications of of noting generational influence, was the realization that actually pop culture isn’t moving as fast as we think it is. Like we think it is. Pop Culture is what’s new and and out there on the edge and pushing the boundaries and they are definitely shows that emerge and change the game. Right. Mr. Rogers Neighborhood emerged and changed the game at that time. Yeah. And so but for the most part, there a lot of a lot of pop culture is still dealing with the past 20 years. Yeah. And and I think that that has implications for the church, and then sometimes the church can get nervous about pop culture. Amen. Can we say that? Can Yeah, I mean, no, maybe nervous is an understatement. But, and, and the church is notoriously late to the pop culture party. And if you add the layer of generational influence, I think what that looks like is if we’re already late To the pop culture party in pop culture is actually dealing with the last 20 years, then if we miss it by 10 years, we’re now 30 years, maybe 40 years behind, where culture is moving and who we’re trying to engage with.

20:15
And that might be, I mean, I can see how that can be both a good and bad thing. Actually, I think, you know, I think, yeah, I think it would it, would it take the monkey off the back of some of the youth ministers we have in the churches right now. Feel that they have to be cutting edge and everything, it’s like, you know, perhaps you don’t really have to do that as much as you think you do. And maybe in some ways, even your, your youth aren’t even expecting you to do them. Well, I

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think that’s very interesting. I think that’s true. I think there’s something fascinating with the millennials and post millennials that’s come out, which is a massive interest in authenticity. And I think it’s very important to realize that offset what what often youth pastors and other people are dealing with is relevance. And they kind of use the term relevance and authenticity interchangeably. But the reality is, authenticity is always relevant. relevance is not always on.

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observation, next t shirt, t shirt right there, right there. We know we’re making some money. But that’s so true. We do confuse those like, Oh, I need to be relevant. I need to be

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current. And sometimes you can get into absurd situations when you do that. And I remember I was at a worship service at a large church, I’ll have this remain nameless, because it’s kind of a famous churches will be hard. I know, church will be harmed. But it was in Virginia, actually suburban Washington, DC, it was one of those large churches that actually had a lot of some congressmen and their families that went through, et cetera, et cetera. But they were trying to be all Khurana and everything. And I don’t know if you remember, but in the 90s, for about 30 minutes, there was this sort of reappropriation of big band music in popular culture, oh, yeah. It only lasted for a very short time. And I remember I was I was visiting this church once and they had decided that, that the new wave of stuff that was going to reach everybody was big band music. And so they ditch their band, and they actually had their worship pastor hire a bunch of musicians standing behind stands looking like Tommy Dorsey or Lawrence Welk or something like that. And having the congregation sing along to these big band versions of, I don’t know, crazy courses and stuff. And it was, it was the most absurd thing I ever saw in my life. And honestly, it only you know, it is as soon as they did it, the culture had already moved on, it was only going to be a 15 minute phenomenon anyway, and a whole lot of money and effort spent on kind of nothing, actually now, but they were they were really trying to be, you know, relevant and catch the next wave, but not students about what exactly what’s happening with that wave.

22:55
Right. And that, yeah, and that, I think, is a great observation of being a student of realizing that everything that emerges in pop culture that is relevant to pop culture doesn’t necessarily mean it’s having a lasting impact on our culture, and needs to be mimicked or copied by the church or caught up, you know, and so now I do think I haven’t really thought it that way, because I’m maybe more of a pessimist. rags, which might be I don’t know if I get out pessimism you, but I’m gonna try. I’m just selling

23:29
this stuff. It’s gonna be definitely edited from the podcast right here, just so y’all know that. But

23:35
I haven’t thought of it as I didn’t think of it through that lens of that this Yeah, this is a good thing of realizing, taking that monkey off the back of like, no, relevance is not what I’m trying to

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write. And you don’t it doesn’t mean you don’t need to be observant in your own dntp jokes and culture and stuff. But you don’t really need to feel that pressure that you always have to be, you know, hit the next big this thing, because you probably don’t even know what that is actually.

24:05
You know, what’s amazing to me is we have the creator of the universe on our side, who is to me, if we’re looking for the new thing. He’s gonna be the one that gives us the new thing. And so why we’re playing catch up to culture. We should be observant of culture, we should definitely take in we should know what people like and what where that where it’s come from, we should understand the history. But if you’re going to get the new thing, I think you’ve got to go to the source of who makes new things. I think that there’s no reason why the Christian shouldn’t be the cutting edge. And at one point in time The church was right, right. I mean, look back into the medieval period coming into the Renaissance. The church definitely led culture, popular lead pop culture, they were the pop culture. I think the funny thing is, I think sometimes church, the church makes it the singer sets where we’re, you know, they talk about secular culture as if they’re not part of it. Right. And that’s kind of an interesting point, because I’m like, No, you are part of you are influencing the culture in some way you are part of the secular culture. And, and and to just kind of break that down a little bit. It’s really important. The other thing is important is to realize that culture does, it takes 20 to 30 years for culture to shift anyway, substantially shift. Okay, it’s a long process. So you have a lot of people invent to how can we change culture? How can we make culture I’m like, well, but better, you know, take relax a little bit and take because it’s gonna be a little long game. It’s a long game, it’s not a quick, it’s not gonna happen. Right off the back real quick. Well,

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that’s what I think, like, surveying and studying. And this is, I think, another implication that maybe the church can do a better as well as studying and understanding how pop culture shifts is really important and understanding? Well, it’s a lot slower than we think it is. And it does take time. I mean, the reason why the shows in 80s and 90s, were still processing the 60s, because they were still processing Yeah, what just happened? And and then we were absorbing

26:08
that and, you know, Miss reading pop culture, what it means. I mean, some some artifacts are superfluous, but some sort of aren’t. And I’ve seen people try to jump on a on a fad without even understanding what was going on with that fad. And just sort of missing everything about it. I remember when, you know, for a while every pastor worth his salt would would shave his head and grow goatee and bring in a stool and a water bottle and have a darkened sanctuary. And that was postmodern ministry. Yeah, this light was emerging, you know, you just, you know, have a black turtleneck and, and a goatee, really, you’re basically not engaging in any other way than you would otherwise. And it was kind of silly and unnecessary, I think,

26:51
well, it’s not great. You know, I think if you’re, if you want to have an effect on culture, you need to be good at analysis, you can’t just have a cursory view of what’s going on out there. And if I shave my head, and I grow a beard, then we are relevant, we are all we’re doing is just cosmetic, that’s cosmetic, there’s nothing what’s under question. The real question is, you know, what’s underneath every aesthetic choice is driven by a value or a belief. You know, this is you can actually and you can, you can reverse this what we call value theory, I teach value theory. And I say you can discern a person or a institution or something, their their values based on retrofitting, what, what the aesthetics are, start looking at it here, look, look at the difference between a contemporary nondenominational church versus a Catholic Basilica. Right, you can look at the aesthetics and kind of gather what the value is, based on that. And, and then what’s a great conversation, as you say, Okay, so now that we have these two things, you find out, is this what you were intending to communicate?

27:58
Because then you can find it and perhaps how that how that continues to communicate, you know, generationally, I know that most, you know, contemporary mega church worship man is filtered down sort of everywhere, is actually driven by, you know, baby boomers, like people like me not, you know, and so in an effort to be relevant, they’re really not. Well, most Millennials are not impressed. Yeah. Right. They’re just sort of not if I want to go to rock concert, I’ll go to a rock concert, I’d rather go to church. And it’s an really interesting phenomenon. Yeah, I think a lot of folks sort of don’t get that

28:31
one. What’s interesting about it is often it is a previous generation, trying to guess what our newer generation like pretty much

28:39
pretty much and just baptizing their own their own desires and likes, right?

28:43
Yeah, absolutely. And I think as we kind of maybe land the plane here on this of trying to think, Okay, what can so it does help that we don’t, we can take the monkey off the back of we don’t need like to try to chase that next fad. We can we can take a step back. changing culture is the long game. Yeah. So we can look and start doing a better job as the church start doing a better job as leaders. And one of the things I think we try to do here at jazz is try to help people analyze their culture, right? analyze the culture and say, hey, yeah, what are these shifts? Where has this value come from? And oh, we can trace it back. This major thing happened 20 years ago, and it has completely shifted, and so understanding and then I think also, so so being good students of culture, being good students of the history and analyzing and understanding that difference between authenticity and relevance like that is on a T shirt near you.

29:46
Yeah, I think and also, the last thing I would say is fear. Like you got to we got to be afraid because we sometimes that I say the church as a whole or at least the perspective what the church does is responding in fear to a current pop culture kind of thing. Before fully understanding what’s going on. And so I think I think being bold enough to say, hey, maybe

30:05
we don’t we don’t jump to the on try to capture it and try and tame it before it causes any damage. Yeah. Right. Which is interesting. Because Yeah, you can’t do that if you don’t understand what’s going on. Right with it. Yeah,

30:18
yeah, sure. You’re not responding in fear? And then yeah, I think, lastly to that is, and Rex, you’ve pointed this out before, is that actually, as a church and you’re kind of hitting on this to Derek, actually, as a church, we do have something that is timeless that we can offer? Exactly that is exactly connected. And that is what many people are starved for. Many young people, most of the new generation isn’t like, yeah, don’t try to impress me with what you think I will like, right, right.

30:47
I’ve always I’ve always thought that, you know, Jesus can take care of himself. And he doesn’t need a PR agent. Yeah. Somehow we feel he needs one. And it’s us. And and, you know, all kinds of mischief is done because of that. Yeah, that’s good.

30:59
Yeah, we can we can offer and know that the new generation is already used to looking back and looking back in time, they don’t always want the newest thing. Yeah. Right. And then pop culture and as, as a church, man, yeah, we have that we have that we have something timeless to offer. And so let’s be better students, let’s analyze better. And let’s offer that. That’s good. All right, as we kind of shift towards the end here. I do want to I don’t have a name for this segment yet. So maybe after you know, edited back in, but I do just want to I just want to get a feel of maybe how pop culture has impacted you in your life. So if you could, is there if you could name is there a show? A movie, a band that you could look back on and think, oh, wow, that really changed. The game for me, made me think about the world in a new way.

31:57
Hmm, that’s a good question. show a movie, or an or a band, a play, play anything. Pop pop culture. I’ve been less influenced by play funny enough. I know I run the theaters but less influenced by plays then I have been through some other things. But I’m an avid guitarist. And so you know, it really was the 90s coming out of the 80s hair bands into the 90s grunge era that was very influential to my guitar background. So I think for me, one of the most influential bands early on, was Pearl Jam for me. They were there. They were kind of the thing I think they were writing. You know, I think he was, you know, Eddie Vetter was writing about challenging topics and really hard. He had a hard life and he was wrote about what he knew. And that was really influential. And I thought the double guitar work that they had going on in there was similar to some of the Allman Brothers kind of stuff. It was just a very influential band, and they’ve maintained that’s been the shocking thing is of the grunge bands. Yeah, they’re arguably and there’s almost Yeah, yeah, that’s still sadly alive, right? Being still together and producing music. Regardless of where you fall on him, I just they were they were incredibly influential. That’s good for

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I guess music and pop culture. I regrettably collected shirts, and I probably have, gosh, about 100 of them, which is absurd. And I can’t really wear them while I’m teaching here at Jessup. And my wife thinks it’s just a total waste of money. But there you go. Anyway, one of my favorite t shirts is one that says I listen to bands that don’t exist yet. Ah. Like, yesterday, today. Exactly. Exactly. It’s like, you know, my musical tastes you can’t pass. They don’t even exist yet. But they’re in my head. In my head. I’ve always been a fan of movies, but apparently the movies that I like other folks don’t like either when I was teaching high school, um, I was sort of in charge of the senior class trip and I remember making all the students go to see a local hero. You probably didn’t even know what that is. Right. And they all they all they all snuck out of the multiplex and went to see Porky’s too. And so it just shows what I know, which is about nothing.

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What do you say local heroes are something that changed your life.

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You know, we were in Scotland two years ago. And actually, we drove right by the beach where the beach scenes were filmed there. And so I just, you know, I mean, I think because of the irony and the ridiculousness of that whole thing, you know, maybe I should give it a try. Second, try with some students. They might actually like it. should it

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go? Yeah, it’s all coming back. Around Exactly. For me, it would be in the music realm too. And it was it was growing up and finding and my parents weren’t like huge pop culture fans at all. I could say that sorry, mom, dad. But they had a small record collection that they had kind of kept with them. And and it introduced me to they had an old Chuck Berry record. And they had a Beatles record. Like early early beat a Beatles, right? Yeah. Yeah, they didn’t go too far into stuff right? Yeah, they didn’t they didn’t follow the Beatles as culture exploded they, they, they stayed protected from that, I guess we can say. But finding those and finding an old record player cuz in the 80s everyone’s still had record players in their houses and now they’re coming back and cool. Exactly. Fine. vinyl. house like they were like, Oh, yeah, we haven’t played the Hudson or eight tracks or we’re gonna come back to these nine. I don’t think so. I was okay. tossing Well, I actually have a track player in my graduate. I’m like searching for an eight track to see if it works. Jamie to know. They’re worth a lot of money though. They were so horrible. That’s like

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one of those things that a collector would freak out about was like where the old eight tracks.

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I wish I had kept all my old GI Joe stuff. Totally. Totally. Yeah, that and my kids attack packs. But sadly we threw them all away. No, we don’t

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you have to have foresight. Exactly. Like I need to keep this because you never know never know. Yeah, music was something that changed and I was young and listen to those ingest. And even though it wasn’t the current music, right, but it was like oh, wow, this music speaks like yeah, and and music then played a role in my life and still does have of how I connect how I learn things, how I express moods, all that and going back to a moody college blues playlist.

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What are some of your other places I’m interested in now? moody college blue. Well,

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that’s that’s the only one that I’ve kind of I have a I’m a Christian Christmas aficionado. I’m really good. I like the old stuff. So Sinatra mahrez.

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totally makes sense for someone who always dresses in shades of black and gray. Exactly. It totally works. I totally get it. I totally get I totally get it. I totally get it. Sinatra era is right up that pro jam stuff. We’ll go with that too, actually. Yeah, great, great.

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90s music changed my life to it definitely has laid the foundation for for where we are now, musically and all that. So it was a good, good shift. But we’ll get we’ll get into some more playlist later on another and we’ll do an episode on playlists. Thank you guys for joining us today. It’s been great. Thank you for listening to Jessup. Think Be sure to follow us on Twitter at Jessup think we would love to hear your thoughts on the episode and engage with any questions you have. Our aim is to provide a framework for further reflection and deeper exploration of these important topics. You can also help the show by leaving a review on iTunes these reviews help the podcast reach new listeners. Until next time, I’m Mark Moore and this is Jessup.

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