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Forced Church

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In this episode Mark is joined by Associate Professor of Christian Leadership Daniel Gluck & Associate Professor of Youth Ministry Fritz Moga. Together they explore the difficult topic of whether Christian parents should force their children to go to church. Many children associate church with boredom, uncomfortable clothes, and weird smells. When they begin to voice a desire to not go, how should Christian parents respond? Could forcing church on them only cause them to run the other direction when they are older? Could not stressing it diminish the important role the church plays in the spiritual life?


TRANSCRIPT

0:08
Welcome to Jessup think I’m your host Mark Moore. And today on the show, I’m joined by Daniel Gluck and Fritz Moga. Daniel, tell the listeners a little bit about what you teach here at Jessup.

0:18
I have the privilege of serving as lead Faculty of our BA in Christian Leadership Program, undergraduate students who are going into ministry and have a heart for leadership.

0:29
Wonderful. And Fritz, what do you teach here?

0:31
I am the lead faculty for the youth ministry department. So work in conjunction with Daniel everything’s going on and leadership. And this would be a very specific part that trains young people to go work with young people.

0:42
That’s wonderful. It’s great to have both of you on the show. And I’m extremely interested in the topic that we’re going to discuss today. And the big question that we’re going to be tackling today is this. Should Christian parents force their children to go to church? And it’s funny, every time I pose that to people, they all have a similar reaction, which is like, ooh, oh, that’s a good question. And some, some with younger kids are like, I want to listen to that, because I don’t need it yet. And then others who are right in the midst of it, I can feel their pain. I feel their pain. Yeah. When we say I didn’t, and to be fully transparent. With this question. I have a lot of skin in the game. So as you know, along with being a Christian parent, myself, father of two middle school boys, so pray for me. Yeah. For me, I pray daily. And a professor here at Jessup. I’m also pastor at a church in the Arden arcade area of Sacramento, right? Yeah. And yeah, just bring them all together. Yeah. And at church, we’ve been having this discussion lately, we’re just talking with parents, mostly parents of middle school and high school students, the fridge, you can kind of connect there to ministry, and just kind of having this conversation of, hey, if my child right now, is, is voicing maybe a boredom with church? A Yeah, you know, I starting to be maybe even a little disgruntle. about going and just trying to tackle that of like, man, how do I approach How do I approach them? How do I, how do we, as a family kind of handle the church question and that Now, before we get into it even deeper, I’d love to hear kind of your backstories and experiences with church. So first, what was your experience kind of growing up with church?

2:35
Yeah, I grew up in a go into church was a little outside the Christian denomination kind of church. However, I’m intrigued. I just don’t want to name names. But But we were, we were forced to go. We got up every Sunday, and we went to church. And I was, I was particularly bored with things that were going on. But I I rediscovered God a little later on, like in high school. Yeah. But I’ve always looked back and thought, you know, those were not wasted years, forced to go to church, write write stories, I could recall things. It wasn’t ultimately life changing then. But then later on, when I really accepted Christ into my heart, I could look back and go, you know what, that was not a bad thing for me to be there with those times.

3:22
Right? Yeah, it’s so helpful to look back and see that and yeah, you can’t in the moment, you’re not going to be able to realize No, they’re the impact about what you do. You know, like maybe an age you were where you started to be like, Oh, this is just not

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fun. I mean, we went from birth. Yeah. And when, at some point, my, my dad would just drop us off at church and then pick us out later. Okay, that’s interesting. We’ll come back to that. We’ll go free babysitting. Right. Right. Right. And so I would think, yeah, it was it was definitely junior high. Yeah, definitely junior high when I’m like, I got better things to be doing and sitting around here.

4:00
Right. And that’s before video games. Right? Think about it. Do right. outside and play, right. Yeah, that’s that’s a weird concept. That’s weird. Yeah. Daniel, how’s your background? Yeah,

4:15
I grew up in a Christian home as well and went to a very conservative small Baptist Church. And for our listeners out there, we used to actually have to go to church multiple times a minute, you’re, you’re thinking, Oh, I gotta go to church on Sunday. We regularly my family went to church on Sunday morning, Sunday night, and then always on when when God ordained the Bible. It is when we always went to church and yeah, I mean, I think there were probably some times in high school, especially maybe not junior high, but some of those formative adolescent years where I questioned it or you know, resented it to a level or had been Other things to do, like Fritz was saying, but that was our family culture. It was kind of a non negotiable.

5:05
Yeah. And family culture is a really interesting phrase. And I like that. And we’re gonna keep that in mind. Okay. also kind of play off friends, your dad dropping you off, right? So there’s, there’s some things happening there. Dude, for me. Growing up, I really looked back and had a unique kind of experience. I mean, grew up in the church, I grew up in a strong Christian home I grew up in in the beautiful state of Indiana. A wonderful, wonderful, beautiful state of any way left. Why would you laugh at that? I’m Kelly center. Yeah, I know. You are. Center universe you are here. Now where is Indiana? I don’t even know where we are. No, I don’t even know, on the buckle of the Bible Belt. We are right there. And I grew up out in the country. My grandpa was a fourth generation farmer. And I went to a small country church, there was about 20 of us in the church, and I was probably blood related to about 19. So and, and yeah, and it was the youth group was just my brother and I, and, and went there from when I was very young, we kind of split off of a friend’s church, actually. And then as a small country church, and there was no youth options, right? There was no children’s church during service, you were in, in surveys change. And I remember, you know, those, those times have of being in the middle of service being like how this is the longest hour and a half of my life, you know, you watching the clock, like we usually stop at 12. Why is it 1215? Right. And, and I experienced that, but But yeah, first I had a similar experience of looking back, I see the value of. And so when we talk about this question, how do you like bridge? How do you first start to approach this question of should Christian parents for searching? Because I because I see the other side? I mean, I had a good experience. But I do see the other side of I don’t want to make my kid hate church. Right, right. I don’t want to force religion on them, and then have them reject it even stronger later. How do you kind of initially maybe approach this? Well, just background on that I’ve

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been married for 38 years. Awesome. I have three daughters, and I was the youth pastor, when the oldest two were going through middle middle school, high school. So like you, I was involved in the church. So the choice wasn’t? Yeah, there was

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come with Yeah, there was no question.

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But as I was thinking about this, knowing our topic was coming up, I think the first thing I want I thought about wanting to say was that each each and every situation is different, right? Each child is different. Yeah, there’s a moment there, their tendency for rebelliousness, or even their ability to go deep spiritually, like that’s different in every single kid. And so it has to be handled different. And even each parent each marriage is different. My wife and I are very different from one another. And, and she was more likely to let our children have a choice to do these things, then I would have bet, right, right. So that’s where I was first thinking just about how we’re going to talk about things like bam, bam, bam, but the reality is, it’s all right, in each situation. Well, that’s, that’s so good to remind ourselves, right? And to remind the listener, that it’s not just, we don’t have kind of simple cookie cutter. Yeah, like solutions that that it is like you’re dealing with children, you’re dealing with other human beings who are growing and developing. And you do have to be able to react and respond in that moment, right. And know the child inside. That’s a really good kind of place as you enter the conversation is to be looking, hey, like,

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let me be really for one listening to my child. Right and hearing from them. But then also, we may have in this Daniel, when you said family value I really picked up on that, that that was something. It was just a part of your family. Yeah, we are going this is something we value as a family. Yeah. How? How has that maybe carried into your own life and your own family?

9:24
Yeah, I like what Fritz said too, about marriage because you bring two family cultures into a marriage and that shapes your family and right, my wife, my wife would be more the one who would enforce weekly church attendance, you know, this is our value and all that kind of stuff. Not that I wouldn’t, right, but I might be the one to ask the question or to give more of an option of Hey, let’s take a week off or whatever it is kind of stuff. And so, yeah, family culture, you got to think about a big framing thing for me is, you know, when you think about it from a philosophical higher level is, okay letter of the law versus spirit of the law. If God wanted us to be in community with one another, and all these things we have in church that will probably start breaking down here. You know, is it it? How do you questions we asked my wife and I, how do you enforce it as a family value? You know, how do you practice it as a family value? Hey, this is this is what we do, right? versus hopefully not communicating that it’s some kind of ritualistic or religious activity that’s not connected with the actual spirit. Yeah, we worship together, we, you know, we pray together, we serve together, we read God’s word together. So that’s a big question we’re asking.

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Yeah, as you’re, as you’re kind of teaching that to your family. Yeah. How does that? How does that become a family value? And, and again, I think I mean, for me, maybe the word force is what is the sticking point, right? Because when we hear for sports you to do anything, we’re like, No, you can’t force me to do anything. But when I really look at my, my children, right, there were a lot of things I forced them to do, like, brush their teeth, comb their hair, and again, I have two middle school boys. And so and we’re still right before, they’re really caring about what others are thinking when they see them. But But we stress that right? We stress eating healthy, we stress not too much screen time. And so yeah, if it’s if then church is a family value of Brits, when you were saying your you got to a point where your dad would drop you off? Have you ever reflected on that, like, in your experience? Did you ever maybe Connect like, hey, why does he get a leave? And I have to be here?

11:50
I’m, I’m not sure I really did. Yeah, age, it’s just what we did. There was a while he came, my mom never came with us. Okay, so we did not grow up in what I would call a Christian home. We were a religious home catch hearts catch. And so it wasn’t about relationship with Jesus. It wasn’t even really so much relationship with the church. It was formed. It was function. This is what you do. Right. So So for my dad, I guess I never really thought Yeah, why is he not? Sundays? He would show up Sundays. He wouldn’t. Right. And it didn’t really seem to matter to me much.

12:23
Yeah, that’s interesting. Because sometimes I think it could be kind of a both and like, if the, if the child is also not feeling like this is a, this is one of our family values, then why why do I have to be there? Right. And I think establish I wasn’t near that bright. I’m giving you credit. And intuitive. I that was tough. I just did what he said. Yeah, exactly. You’re like Robin here. I’m not question. And, and, and I understand from talking to like, parents who have been kind of in discussion with about this. I definitely feel and understand that sensitivity to not forcing and maybe it comes from a little bit of a generation before us that there wasn’t a question, right? Like, this wasn’t a debate when I was when I was young. And and so I understand that sensitivity. But I also kind of in talking to them. ask a couple questions to you know, so let’s say my middle schooler is bored and doesn’t want to come. And and I want to be sensitive to him don’t want him to hate the church hate Christianity after this. And so I say you know, what you can choose now and if you choose not to, I’ve often asked my wife and I’ve talked about this is then that middle school student, more likely to get back into church or to follow God or not, you know, like, I think sometimes we have a vision of Oh, if I give them the opportunity, and then then choose and let’s say they don’t go to church for middle school, high school, are they more likely when they’re 2021 to then be like, Oh, wait, church and community are a vital part of my spiritual life. Or does that just reinforce Hey, this wasn’t you know, this wasn’t big enough because we’ve stressed brushing our teeth is important, right? My guess is there’s not negotiable

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or if I give my kid the option not to eat broccoli. Ryan, he’s 13 How likely is he to begin eating broccoli? 100. Chad, he

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was in Oakland Sunday. I want to give credit where credit’s due Reed regeneration church and pastor Albert Lee was speaking great. And he’s he’s said some of the things you’re mentioning said we would never just let our kids make all their own choices about diet, about education. about health issues. These are all temporal things, we would not allow them. Why would we let them decide what to do with the spiritual with the eternal part of their life? Yeah, at 13. Daniel, I’m with you. If at 13 if I was given the choice, I would only eat cake. I would make sure there was no math and screws included in mice, right? Yeah. And I would sleep all day, if possible, or go play with friends. The choices I would have made, didn’t mention play fortnight, that’s a big deal. Okay, gotcha. We would have built the Ford at night, right? It’s

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kind of like that’s the original fortnight. Hmm.

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So I’m glad even late school, my family was nowhere near perfect. But I’m glad that even in those areas, my parents were like, we’re gonna set some boundaries. We’re gonna Yeah, those areas. So why wouldn’t we do it for spiritual?

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Yeah, I heard a writer once. And he was giving a talk actually over in the Bay Area. And he kind of bemoaned a little bit of growing up in a Christian home, and he kind of bemoaned and he said, I wish I would have had the opportunity to, to experience Christ on my own. Yeah. And when he said it, I thought I was like, Wow, that’s so interesting. Because it’s kind of like, I think, a common maybe fantasy of like, oh, if as a show, I would have my own choice. And then I would choose to follow God, right. Or I would choose to do this. And one of the thing that’s interesting is here at school, I teach of freshmen class or been a part of teaching a freshman class, and one of the assignments they have to do is called my story so far, they have to it’s right now it’s video. Right? When I first started, it was paper. Now it’s a video. Yeah, but they have to tell their story, especially how God has included. And so over the last, you know, eight years, I’ve read hundreds of those watched hundreds of those. And not one video, did a person say I didn’t grew up in a Christian home. But one day, I was just like, you know what, I think I want to pursue God. What’s been interesting is every single one of the students who didn’t grow up in a Christian home, their connection to church was a friend invited me to church, a neighbor took me to church.

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Graham, right. Yeah, up on Sunday, it was important for me to go to church.

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Yeah. And, and so it’s, you know, I think sometimes we can think, in trying to be sensitive, and not trying to force. But yeah, we don’t give them options and other things. And, and the church, just in all of those stories, it was amazing for me how the church, the local church, played a role in people who didn’t know Christ, getting to know Christ. Right? The there was none that had some type of vision, or someone approached them in a dream, it was always a friend invited me a friend. And, and so I think, for me that that’s where, like, I don’t want to force anything on my kids, right? I don’t want to force anything on them. But I also want them to know, hey, this is this is a family. This is a family culture, a family value that we have now, that that that church is a place where we have community, and we have spiritual community. One of the things I think this question brings up for me is that when we use the word church, a lot of us think, oh, we’re all talking about the same thing. Right. But church can be more than I think sometimes we think maybe just Sunday morning. Yeah, Sunday morning for an hour. But church can be so. So more than that, right? Like this, you know, that if you’re a part of a spiritual community? Yeah. That’s devoted to Scripture, as devoted to prayer that’s devoted to breaking bread, and, and taking care of each other’s needs. Right like that. Is it that like, I don’t think we have to define church as narrowly, sometimes as we do. But that is church. Right? That would be the community. And and are you presenting that as a cultural value? Right? Yeah. Is that something that you want your children to be involved in? Yeah.

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Comment? Yeah, definitely. I made this little list. I was thinking about that idea. And this forcing, you know, letting them choose and I said, Okay, if your child doesn’t go to church, or like a few, I think the fear of all parents is that they’ll never eat broccoli, right? that they’ll never go like, that’s right. Bottom line, fear, right? Never go. So if a child doesn’t go so you give them the choice, and they don’t go to church or to youth group. What might they do with that time? Maybe some video games, we’ve mentioned those, maybe do homework, maybe spend time with family I mean, and not a bad list right? on Sunday. Sports right now. Let’s say your child does go they’re forced to go You make them go. Here’s some potential outcome, some potential benefits. And I was at youth group on Wednesday night where Mr. Daniel Gluck sitting across from me and his boys were leading worship in the band. That’s great. So here’s some potential benefits if you even if you force them, learning to worship, find activities. Oh my gosh, the games were crazy the other night, new, deeper friendships, finding out leaders that could be mentors, older people, it could be mentors, opportunity to share about life with your peers, relevant Bible teaching, meeting God, Jesus Holy Spirit, like that’s a pretty good list that could right potentially happen if they’re there if they’re in the building in the presence of people.

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I might also mention, you know, here, I used to serve as campus pastor, Director of campus ministries here. And we would talk about whether chapel on campus we have rewired Yeah, right. Is that church? You know, what’s your definition of church? Yeah, we have held over the years, and there’s been some controversy and debate around it. But we have held that chapel is not church. And the reason why I think is also important as we think about church and establish establishing family culture, because I think some other benefits huge benefits are in you got this in your little church and yeah, intergenerational interaction, as I was talking with my wife about this, she said, I want my boys and my daughter, we have three kids, two boys and a girl that are, you know, we have a teenager now to suppress for me, the Myers prayers are going on and a couple younger Elementary, but we want them you know, there’s probably going to be a time when my boys and maybe my girl, too, don’t really want to listen to dad or mom or take the advice. We want other men and women who are

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mentors in their lives speaking into their lives, older, wise people, peers, younger people that they can serve and lead in their lives so that the body of believers around them is raising up them up in, in a godly culture of Christ following culture. So it’s like that it takes a village to raise a child thing. Right? Right. Exactly. And that’s so important because even now, as a pastor, right, and with my children at the church, I see the role of our youth pastor speaking into their lives is so huge that that they know dad, right? And they know dad is gonna give them advice. And and when we’re going to bed at night. It’s gonna say that, but it’s really important for them yeah, then to hear it from others and, and to have their youth pastor show up to their soccer game, right? Like, oh, wow, this this other person is speaking into my life and and speaking God into my life that you don’t get Yeah, if you’re not in church. And and yet, for me growing up in that small, small, 20 person, church, again, blood related to 19 and a half of them, I made up for that one girl who was adopted, right? Yeah, the only one not in the family tree. Yep. But it was, you know, and obviously, there were times when I was bored, and but looking back on it, those were times where I got to see my grandparents worship. I got to see them singing, I got to see them praying over people. I got to see my parents worship, I got to see my aunt and uncle’s worship literally related to awesome. But I got to see that Yeah. And without that community would not have experienced that.

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You probably got to see them experience pain and crisis. Through that, and how the church came together

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during that, and how the church supported each other. And even statistically, it has been shown that kids who go to youth group and especially those who do attend big church, yeah, just do the whole youth group thing on the side, right? They’ve got all the lights and cameras and but they actually wander into the big church. Statistically, those kids will be in church at a later stage of life more than those who just go to you that don’t tend anything at all

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right. Oh, that’s so good. Because it Yeah, there seems to be a divide in church right now. of youth ministry, children’s ministry and big church, like what we call big church. That’s another podcast. Right. And I think that’s important point to make that it’s that youth group is so important, and also big churches important, right? That that seems to be and statistically seems to be that that kind of further ensures this person is going to be in shirt like that church is going to be an important part of their life. I think with with the kind of forcing your child I’ve also had the question of, do you think maybe there is an age threshold, right? Like when they get to 1718 Yeah, and and I know, kids are maturing a lot faster. They’re making a lot more decisions now than when I was 16. When you’re 16, do you think there’s an age threshold of when it does become a thing where you’re like, you know, our family, you know what we believe. But you do get to make your choice. Now,

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I wanted to mention, one thing I appreciate so much about my parents. And my parents are godly people. Even though we grew up in what I would now consider a fairly legalistic, denominational history or whatever. Yeah. And it had lots of beautiful things about it, and lots of good, and some bad. My parents would always tell me this, and I think it speaks to your question. You know, they would say things like, if I said, Dad, I don’t want to go to church this Sunday, or why do I have to go to youth group when it’s lame, or whatever, right? They would say, Daniel, right now, you have to abide by the rules of this house, right. But when you’re outside of this house, and I think kind of the assumed age was 18, when you’re an adult, and you can move out or you go off to college, or whatever this is, this decision is going to become yours. And they would say things like, we’re trying to get healthy patterns in your life so that you know how to make the right decisions when your time comes. And I think that’s a big deal. And I’m so thankful that they didn’t even even the way they set it, they didn’t paint it in such a way that God will judge you if you didn’t go to church or something. They say, we’re trying to establish these patterns. And then there’s gonna come a day when you get to make a choice. And that really shaped me.

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I think that does go to we got to throw out proverbs 22, six, Train up a child and the way that he should go and when they’re old, they’ll not depart from it. Yeah. And we don’t have definition of child, I would assume at this period in the biblical time, it might be 12. thirds. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. So I think there is that time, but again, I think it would just have to be so specific to each family to each child. And, and I love what Daniel says that, you know, if you’ve done your job early on that that’s, that’s what you can do, right? And at some point, you got to realize these are God’s kids and not yours really. Anyway, they’re just on loan to you. And so do what God calls you to do with them. Yeah. Can I mention someone else? Yeah. I saw I never thought of this. And as I was reading through this week, I was looking at Luke to Luke, Luke chapter two. And this is about Jesus. So Joseph and Mary brought Jesus to the temple when he’s a baby to be dedicated. Right? Like they didn’t ask this little infant, hey, you want to they just brought him? But then it goes on. And later in that chapter. Jesus is 12. He’s 12. Right? teenage for us. But right more man for him. Yeah. And his parents take them to the feast of the Passover, which they did says they did every year. Right. And I don’t know this for sure. But I don’t think they had the conversation home. Hey, Jesus, you know, we’re going to that template again. Do you want to jail? Do you want to chill here? You

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can do that? Are you? I don’t think that I, it’s what the family did. It was built into the culture, not only the family culture, but the entire Yeah, correct.

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And then the chapter ends, Luke 52, right. And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature and in favor with God. And man, his parents did the way they invested in him early. And of course it is Jesus. Right. Yeah. But but in strict human Jesus, he grew in his relationship with God, I think it has a lot to do with the family culture and the culture around.

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Yeah. Yeah. That’s so true. And that’s such a good point of that, that Jesus was a part of a family who set those patterns of worshipping of going to the temple of celebrating the feasts, and growing in wisdom and stature, right and growing in favor with God. And and I think that’s, that’s our role as parents, right. Our role as parents is to, is to train our children to instill in them values and, and these patterns. And, and then trust in that, right trust in that, that God has them and when they are at their age of making decision, yeah, that we’ve done our we’ve done our job, right. We’ve done our job of, of teaching them that and so that’s so important for me, thank you guys for, for joining, joining me on this topic and really exploring this, I think it’s an important topic for Christian parents and, and I think we can see that sensitivity of not wanting to force anyone to do anything against their will. But also understanding the role of being a parent. Right. And, and speaking from, from kind of personal experience, just the way the church has impacted us, even when we were bored. Heaven forbid, or the record wasn’t screaming, right? Yeah. But it’s still we can look back and think, Wow, that was a valuable time. And I’m glad that was one of my family’s values that we had those times.

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Just one last comment. I just got to throw this in as a guy who is in charge of training teens to go to youth ministry and I was a youth pastor for almost 20 years. We need to recognize that the parents are the primary people responsible for spiritual growth. Yeah. So if you’re, you know, what, if your kid doesn’t want to go to church, your churches in the home, you are doing things you are having devotionals you are reading the Bible together, you are praying over it, and you’re praying with your kids. And in so don’t don’t say it’s not happening here. I’m going to drag them to a youth group. And hopefully they’ll fix them. Right. Parents are the primary ones. So let’s start there. Right. Yeah. You’ve mentioned that.

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Yeah. No, that’s so good that that focus comes back on on the parent part of that question. And and yeah, and parents have to play that role and be that primary role of teaching, and, and training and guiding. So hey, guys, this was helpful for me helpful for my family. And for the listeners, I hope that this helps you, as you kind of tackle these questions and you kind of explore with your own children, you know, how you’re going to approach how what family values you’re going to have and how you’re going to teach those. And our our heart and our prayer is that church is a part of that because it’s such a vital community of believers and of what they can learn and, and what will impact them for the long run. So thank you guys for being on the show. All right, we’re gonna move to a segment now that I like to call word up, Word Up word up. And so I’m going to give you each certain terms. And if you don’t know it, in fact, you will get major brownie points if you do know it. I’m nervous. But if you don’t know I still want you to try to define it. Like how just hearing the word How would you define it? Okay, and then I will give you the recognized urban dictionary. definition. Okay? Right. So the first term is scum, bro. scum, bro. Come on, bro.

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Come on, bro. I actually know this one. So maybe Oh, hey, there you

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go. No, no, no, no, I do. prove you’re in youth ministry. So you gotta be a tune right to the youth culture. And I

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do a lot of urban work until this is just a standard phrase. Yeah.

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How would you use scum bro in a sentence?

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We told you to do this but scum, bro. You did something else.

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Oh, I haven’t heard it that way. Actually, I got another definition. Okay. That Yeah, like scum, bro. So how would you define scum, bro?

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It’s when you’re going against the Brotherhood like bros are going this way. And you’re going off the other way.

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Oh, yeah, Bro. Bro, that’s not it for it. So how would you? How would you think I know what it is actually. Here we go. I don’t know if any of you are into sailing but when you keep your sailboat at the dock it begins to accumulate a lot of algae on the bottom and like you know if it’s if it’s hard or it’s at the ocean or in the marina or whatever. And once a year you have to take your sailboat to a shop or special shop or hire divers to go under and clean off the scum bro. So it doesn’t seal of your sailboat. I’m pretty sure okay, that’s

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pretty good cuz I was thinking maybe the guy who cleans it is a scum, bro. Okay, I got you that could be a good definition. So this is how I’ve heard it used and how Urban Dictionary defined scholar revolutionary urban dictionary is an academic dictionary. It is the evolution of normcore. This gumbo is a hypebeast who wears streetwear brands like supreme and Adidas, but also for ma mom brands like Rei and Patagonia. Why is it that I don’t understand half of the words that endure might be Yeah, it’s hard to understand the definition. We don’t know. So this would be the style of Pete Davidson, Justin Bieber. This style of clothes they wear is called scum, bro. Wow. Bro. So you look at him. And they might do scum bro. Right like it just very. So the definition is Pete Davidson is wearing crocs with a supreme sweatshirt again. What is gumbo? What a scum bras cumbre. So when I do my skinny jeans with my numerals boom Oh yeah that is like a fanny pack and like a vans hat on I can do that and there we go so you can’t believe fanny packs are coming back I got my same ones from my gosh now after one and I’ve and I found out this term because I kept seeing pictures of Justin Bieber and I’m just asking myself what are what are you hearing that yeah like wearing I there’s no like yeah there’s no categories right for what you’re wearing I love that it is a mixture of hypebeast brands and Vermont mom brands like that is perfect as a perfect and I can Google Vermont mom brands and yeah from that website thank you I’m gonna go like that is my favorite and my favorite style right no mom mom.com there we go there we go. Calm all right purchase all right, second term. Second term other one is eat. Eat eat so eat is the word How would you define you?

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Can you spell UY e t o changes everything he eat? eat fruits is not as confident on this. Yeah, I thought I had it a while. But oh yeah, why he g Daniel throw some.

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Yeah, you guys thing that comes to mind is it’s actually a part of Southern urban culture. Okay, and so if you were to walk into your home and Mississippi on the buy on, you might say to your family Hey, y’all ye sentences is a question. Okay. It’s more of a dialect. You will know like that sound like

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eat now. I like that. I’ve heard that actually before. Yeah. Well, you phrase you got any, any definition? Yeah,

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you know, it’s funny because I was thinking the same thing in terms of walking to a home. But this is actually like a style kind of like what you’re talking about with a housing style. That’s very eclectic. And so you can bring in all kinds of modern with the old that’s a very contemporary thing. Yeah, mix them both. And style itself. You can walk and say wow, this is this is yeet

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Oh, yeah, like this house. Yeah, this house is very neat. I like the style they are going on. Nice gumbo is eat right, right, right, right. It’s like scum bro. With with furniture. Nice. It’s gumbo with furniture. I like them grow. guys live in eat out. Okay, they might, they might. So here’s, here’s the official definition word on the street. Is eat is a versatile word that can be used as an exclamation, a verb or even a noun. As an exclamation, it can be used to express excitement. And so a lot of times I’ve heard that I coach a soccer team. And so here students are players and be like, okay, they just say I was gonna go there. And that seemed too obvious. No, yeah. So it’s just this like kind of cry can also be used as an exclamation of victory. It was this is great. There’s an urban dictionary. It breaks down the tensors of the word. So present tense as I eat. So it can be an action. Past imperfect. I was eating. I was eating I was eating past perfect. I yote. Right. Perfect. Which is everyone’s favorite. I have yacht. I have a yacht. future I will eat and future perfect. I will have yacht. A yacht so if you want to be cool with the kids. I would use like the the past Marina Yo, man, I yo yesterday is yesterday I was yo this is the thing that we’re gonna we’re gonna make it is a thing. Well now thank you guys for coming on the show is exciting talking to you. I loved our topic today. And, and I think it’s just so helpful for us. And so thank you guys for being on the show. You bet. pleasure. Thank you for listening to Jessup. Think Be sure to follow us on Twitter at Jessup think we would love to hear your thoughts on the episode and engage with any questions you have. Our aim is to provide a framework for further reflection and deeper exploration of these important topics. You can also help the show by leaving a review on iTunes these reviews help the podcast reach new listeners. Until next time, I’m Mark Moore and this is Jessica.

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