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Yes, Virginia, You Are Theologian

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Yes, Virginia, You Are Theologian

Mark and Rex discuss one of their topics: theology. Specifically they ruminate on the fact that we are all theologians and how much our thoughts about God truly matter.


Welcome to Jessup think I’m your host Mark Moore and your co host, Rex Gurney, and Rex on the show today, we are kind of just gonna kind of follow where the Spirit leads, I think and and mostly framing it under this lens of the importance of theology. And we’re the two perfect people to talk about that too, because you teach theology and I used to teach theology just before they stopped letting me teach you. That is, that’s a good, a good marker. I used to teach theology. So we have Yeah, current theological theology teacher, former theology teacher, but we’re gonna mostly frame this through the lens of what does it mean to think the illogic, right, right, and how does that affect other areas of our life? Exactly. And

that’s a question that you can’t avoid.

Exactly. So we hope you enjoy the show. By Rex, we had just a few podcasts ago, we had theologian Kelly Capek, on, you know,

and as soon as as soon as actually he was on the show, I started noticing his name everywhere I was, I was having my personal devotions. I’m not making this up, actually. Sounds like one of those people brag. I know. I know. I know. But, so I was having my devotions on looking at this book that I’m reading. And it was co written by Kelly kapok and I had no idea I bought this book, like forever ago, and oh, my gosh, this guy’s everywhere.

Yeah, he has really been a part of a lot of books and edited a lot. So right. So it was great. Having him on the show really enjoyed that. So if you’re listening to this, and you haven’t seen it, go back and listen to that episode. But I wanted to start this off Rex with a with a definition of theology that he gives. And he provides this in his little book for new theologians, which really is an excellent book, we didn’t get a chance to really talk with him about Right, right, because we focus mostly on another one of his good books embodied, embodied hope. But this is a great it is literally a little book, like his little in size. And it’s short pages. So perhaps, yes, some students will actually Yeah, exactly. So that’s, I mean, those are the kind of books I look for, for students, because they might actually read this, we’re so jaded. But, um, but I love that he goes to the whole thing, and he ends on this actual definition, okay, of theology. And he says this, he says, In its most fundamental form, Christian theology is an active response to the revelation of God in Jesus Christ, whereby the believer in the power of the Holy Spirit, subordinate to the testimonies of the prophets and apostles, as recorded in the Scriptures, and in communion with the saints, wrestles with and rests in the mysteries of God, His work in his world. And I love how how much he packs into that, right? There’s a lot in that state. It’s a long sentence, right? I don’t know, if you know, my English teacher would probably critique maybe the length of the sentence. But I love how he ends. The first part, which I think is really important. This has been something for me, theologically, that has really shaped me, I would say over the last five to seven years, is the idea that, that the revelation of God is first and foremost, most pronounced in Jesus. Because often when we think of Revelation, and even when we think of special revelation, right, if we look at those categories in theology, special revelation versus general revelation, we often in the evangelical community, we often jump to the written,

right scripture, right, right, the written word, where’s the living word? Yeah. What subordinate to the other

and I think it’s important that that Kelly highlights this. And it’s really, it’s really an idea that I think Carl Bart influenced and, and really bring to, you know, to prominence or gave prominence to it in the middle of the 20th century. But the idea that not the revelation of God, so Christian theology is an active response. Right? It’s not passive, right. Something deliberative, yeah. To the revelation of God in Christ so and that’s kind of changed my focus of theology and and when you think of theology, right is trying to trying to understand God, right or No, God, you know, I mean, in its simplest form, it’s tempting to

think clearly about God and His revelation.

Yeah. And and then to do that, to recognize that Jesus is that revelation of God, so, so to know God better, is like knowing Jesus better is to know God better, right? So everything, anything that’s part of Christian theology, everything we think our say about God has to go through the lens of Jesus. If it’s Christian theology, yeah, right. Yeah. Right. And, and that totally changes because I think sometimes in our, in our minds subtly and not so subtly, we completely separate the God of the Old Testament and Jesus. Right. Right. And, and they’re, they’re two different and in some ways we tried to use Jesus to reconcile, and he kind of pacifies that God from the Old Testament. And maybe he eventually assuages that God with his blood on the cross, but they’re still kind of two separate ideas. And in Christian theology is trying to help us bring them together, right, that God is Father, Son, spirit, and

there’s a number of different streams of Christian theology that have that have worked on reconciling that. Yeah. You know, we’ve mentioned Christian theologians and people better than me who write Long, long sentences with big words. But one thing I read recently about theology that really stuck to me is this phrase, to be a Christian at all is to be a theologian, there are no exceptions. And that, that, that that’s important for me as someone who, even though I’m a history professor, I still touch you know, on theological issues a lot, even in my history classes. But having taught in a conservative Christian College for a long time, where most of the students are Christians, and most of the students take their faith fairly seriously. I have been surprised that most students seem to be allergic to theology. Yeah, it’s almost it’s almost like if you want to empty out a room, say the T word. theology. And, and because I think some folks think that it’s just, you know, thinking these arcane statements about God or right, or, or, or it’s not practical or has no, you know, street cred, or real world value, when actually what you think theologically about God and the way God interacts with God’s creation has impact on on every step you take through this world, you can’t avoid it. Right? There’s a couple of authors that that mentioned, the difference between an embedded theology and a deliberative theology embedded theology being something that we, we have as Christians, we pick it up. Yeah, we pick it up from our families, we pick it up from our churches, we pick it up from fellow students from life experiences, yeah. And we draw some, we’re not even thinking about it’s not even a conscious thing, necessarily, but we’re drawing theological conclusions. And those conclusions affect the way we think about the world. And, and when we think about the Christian life, what we try to make students do here, Jessica, and I know you struggle with that all the time, because you’re one of the primary maker makes students do this is to think deliberatively, about about your embedded theology, because what our embedded theology needs is some real critical reflection. It could be right, right, right. But but at least you need to think about what you you know what you mean, and how to talk about what you feel about God in the way God works in the world.

Right. And that’s where it is trying to help students and help everyone, right? Everyone realize, we are all theologians, we all have a core set of beliefs about God, right? That, that, perhaps are embedded because of the culture we grew up in a family we grew up in, the church we grew up in, or the non church we grew up in, right. So I mean, when we say everyone is a theologian, that means everyone, right? We all have a core set of beliefs about God. And that’s why I think it is so important to get people to, to start thinking about, okay, what is that theology that you have? What have you, what do you believe about God? And is that in light? Is it informed? Is that a response to the revelation of God in Christ? Right, right. And, and that’s a really good comparison and be like, oh, wow, maybe what I believe about God, that actually doesn’t line up with what Jesus says about God. Ooh, that can that can help us think about our theology. But yeah, you’re totally right. When, when often you bring up theology, and I teach, like, you know, my bread and butter is required, right? classes, right, they have to take, they have to take them to get out of here. That’s how I make my money. And, and so most of the lot of students do come in and I see this in the church all the time. Yeah, people will say, Oh, well, I’m no theologian, but it’s like, No, you

actually are. Yeah, you’re about to make a theological statement.

Yeah, exactly. You’re, you’re about to make a theological statement. So recognizing that and helping people understand. Okay, yeah, what, what is it that I believe about God? And how has that belief maybe shaped the way that I approach God, right, the way I approach others, the way I approach, you know, my life in this world,

I’ve heard it said about embedded theology that embedded theology is is usually serviceable until a crisis hits in my be helpful. And hopefully we actually attempt to do that with our students. Right is to have people think deliberately deliberatively about their theology, because before the inevitable crisis will hit, right, because it might actually help you navigate that crisis in a in a healthier and healthier way.

Yeah. And especially, I mean, think about it this way, right? If you’re, if a, if an embedded belief you have about God is that God is retributive in the sense that he will he pays you back for what you do, because that’s just how God Yeah, cuz that’s quid pro Pro. Right? So that’s how God is. So therefore, when that tragedy strikes, your maybe initial thought of God is Oh, God is punishing me, or this is what I did. I do. Yeah. And, and, and being able to change that view of God means actively deliberately engaging in theology, which is understanding the revelation of God in Christ. I also love where Kelly goes here, that in the power of the Spirit, we also engage with the testimonies of the prophets and apostles, which is another way of saying scripture. But I kind of like it phrased that way, this idea of, because sometimes when we think of the Bible, like I think we think of this leather bound book, right, that our grandma gave to us for Christmas, you know, 1984, I’ll just throw out a date. And that would been more of a date for me, Rex. No, no, I’m

trying to think what what you know, because I pass it for years, as you are now. And so you know, what does every like, you know, Pastor need for Christmas from his family or his parishioners, of course, it’s another Bible, another Bible. And so I have all these Bibles. And I was growing up that you know, the way I grew up, you know, not not only is the Bible, the Word of God, but the Bible is the most important physical object in your home. Right? So you’re never supposed to put anything on top of the Bible. Yeah. You’re never supposed to throw a Bible away. No. You can’t like burn it or something. Of course, you just give it to people that don’t have the word of God. But it’s like if they can get a brand new Bible by the Gideons, why do they want my old? So I literally have, I still do, yeah, stacks of Bibles in the garage. When we think

of Bible I think sometimes we do think of that physical book. But I think framing it in the sense of those were the testimonies about God, from the prophets and the apostles, right? That’s, that is what they were saying about God, inspired by God, right, inspired by the Spirit. And, and so as we’re thinking about what we think about God, we’re informed by the revelation of Jesus, right, the revelation of God and Jesus, and subordinate to the testimony of the prophets and the apostles of what they said, and how we’re, you know, how we’re trying to understand, then what we say. And often maybe, sometimes, we’re, we’re all theologians, but perhaps maybe we’re non deliberate theologians, right. And we never then go into the testimony of the prophets and apostles to really do that work of comparing our theology with the revelation of God in Christ. And in concert with the written word, the testimonies, and that’s really, I think the work of theology that is

called certain Christian traditions tend to put more stock in deliberative theology. I know the reformed tradition does interestingly enough, Kelly right. A Copic is in from the reformed tradition. Yeah. Which, which doesn’t surprise me that theology is very, very important. Yeah. I I don’t know if my feel feel theological colors need to show right now. I guess we’ve seen them we see. So our institution did start from an Armenian tradition. So I guess I’m sort of safe here saying that I am. I’m definitely not a five point Calvinist and I have sort of a love hate relationship with reformed tradition. Yeah. But one thing I’ve always admired about the reformed tradition at its best, and I really deeply admire that is that they take theology very, very seriously. Yeah. Which has been interesting, because, you know, with some quibbles, I might have about certain formulations in the reformed tradition. It’s kind of sad. And it’s actually happened to me here at Jessa. Before it’s like, you know, the only people that will even discuss the theology with me, because the only people that I actually think it’s really important are people that I really sort of disagree with their theological affirmation, but they’re the only people that you want to talk about. Right. Right. Which is, which can be frustrating because we all live in that world, whether we are conscious of it or not.

Yeah. And that’s perhaps maybe even in really interesting turn in the you know, in the last 20 years of theology in the evangelical community is that the the reformed tradition has really captured that That flag of theology that this is important and is often drawn there. And where Yeah, maybe the Armenian side. It’s interesting, because has not often focused on on the theology aspect.

As an important there’s, there’s, and this has really been in the last like 20 or 30 years or so that there’s been two streams of thought about what the best way to prepare for the ministry is, you know, one is you go to seminary, right, right. And the other one is you, you, you attach yourself to a successful mentor, you shadow the mentor, you work under the mentor, you sort of learn it that way. And, and, and there’s positives and negatives about both of those things. But one thing that sometimes slides by the wayside until it becomes important is where actually you have the chance to, you know, deliberate theologically, and we won’t be naming names here. There was a church that I know of, that a rather large church that hired their youth pastors on the basis of charisma, pretty much. Yeah, which is, you know, right. not an uncommon thing. Yeah. Right. Right. And, and so everybody loved this guy, because he’s very charismatic, you know, was able to build the youth group into hundreds of kids, yada, yada, yada. Nobody actually really worried about or even thought about what he thought theologically about something. Yeah. Right. Because, you know, he’s in the broad evangelical tradition, right? until, you know, it suddenly matters. And at a summer youth camp with the youth from his church, there were some stuff that he was saying, and some stuff he was doing that when the kids came home and told their parents, they were like, appalled that this Well, nobody had even like him before. Because, you know, as long as you can get a lot of kids here, who cares what you really think theologically and feel? Of course, you do. Because it’s always going to come out. You can Oh, yeah. Right. That’s my little, you know, propaganda for theological education. Yeah, it is important, folks, it really important.

And it’s not about being Right, right. It’s not about necessarily like, do you know, the correct theological answer? Because, and I think khabib captures this really well, in the realm of theology, this is where we wrestle with and rest in these mysteries of God. So, so it doesn’t mean like, okay, there’s only one way to think theologically, and as long as you know that that’s the right way. But it is important for us to be thinking about our theology. And, and definitely maybe vetting that in people who are going to be teaching this like, Hey, what are you thinking about God? And is what you’re saying about God in line with the revelation of God and Jesus and scripture?

What’s interesting about about what, what I guess Copics talking about him, and what you’re alluding to is, is the resources we have for our theological deliberation. Yeah. And that is that has been different in different Christian traditions, right? Which makes it really interesting, and sometimes cuts off dialogue, unfortunately, because of that. So yeah, for example, you know, with, generally speaking, especially on the conservative sides of the evangelical tradition, it’s, you know, sola scriptura realm, and that that’s all we need for theological deliberation. And, you know, I understand that thoroughly. And it says, it’s certainly an honorable way of looking at that, that’s kind of what can pick is talking about, but actually, in many even Protestant traditions, there are other resources that are that are brought to bear in that, especially in trying to understand scripture. You know, there’s in you may or may not, I know you’re aware of it, Mark, you may or may not resonate with the sort of, you know, Wesleyan quadrilateral Hi, yeah, resume with okay. But but there’s, there’s four things that right, that are resources for even deliberating theologically about thing. Yeah. Right. And so scripture is one of them. The most important the first one, but there’s other things that kind of Korean, because they do they do they you can’t help tradition, reason and experience Exactly. grounded off. Exactly. And my tradition, they actually give busts of john Wesley to pastor

which is amazing, which is great, okay, because the one at our church often gets decorated in different outfits. So, so he sets in the church office, and sometimes right now, he’s been a Michigan State football player for two years. Okay, we need to we need to separate you know, change him up a little. But that brought up a good question for me that I wanted to ask you, Rex on this, because there seems to be a tension sometimes in in the evangelical community of what is thinking theologically and what is thinking biblically, and almost like I have to choose, right. I’ve heard I’ve heard people say that, you know, I don’t need theology. I have the Bible.

Right, which of course, is a theological stance. It’s a totally a theological statement. Yeah, it’s not a statement that is is accepted on those terms. Right, by by the whole Christian communion. However, I guess there’s a way to deal with that. You just could say, you know, everybody else is wrong. That’s usually what were the argument ends up going. And you know, that’s a legitimate way to, to think about it. But other Christian traditions will have other other foundations and how to, you know, interpret God’s revelation in Scripture and perhaps God’s revelation in even outside of Scripture, depending on you know, what you think about natural theology and, and regulatory theology. For example, the Roman Catholic Church famously has scripture plus tradition. Yeah, we say tradition, what they really mean is the teaching magisterium of the church. Right, right. And that’s been the source of millions of millions as an exaggeration. Did I say I pastored for years? Yeah, exactly. That’s an exaggeration. Right? Right. But that has been a source of a lot of unproductive conversation for a long time, especially since the Protestant Reformation. And even before actually, the Eastern Orthodoxy will have a slightly different, you know, look at that is scripture, scripture is the commonality and all of the right and the fresh thing and all of them but yeah, but there’ll be the church councils. And they’re really important. Yeah, what’s interesting, and I think a lot of even evangelicals don’t think of this because and how that fits comfortably in what we call evangelical Christianity is really interesting. ecclesia logically and historically, but the fastest growing, I guess, segment of or expression of, or iteration of Christianity worldwide right now. Is is decidedly charismatic. Now, by far the fastest growing, it’s actually, especially in the global south. Yep. But what people I think sometimes don’t think about is actually as opposed to conservative evangelicalism. There’s another source of authority theologically, for many Pentecostals. Yeah. And so it’s scripture, but it’s not sola. scriptura. Right. It’s the revelation of the Holy Spirit. Yeah. Right. That has almost as much importance actually. Yeah. And so once again, even in the fastest growing segment of Christianity worldwide, right now, there’s, you know, there’s more than one foundationalism about about, you know, how to think theologically about the Christian life.

Yeah. And I think for me, that kind of the, how I understand the difference between thinking theologically, and just thinking biblically, is that anytime you approach the Bible, you have to approach it in an interpretive way, you have to interpret what it is saying and how that applies to your life. And

if you did, we wouldn’t make all Jessica students take this class today, you know,

art of interpretation. Yeah. And, and so really, for me, theology is biblical interpretation. Right? theology is what we say about God, informed by what has been said about Jesus and what is said in Scripture, right? It is, it is, theology is us wrestling with the biblical text, and trying to understand it, trying to understand God in light of the biblical text in light of revelation in Jesus. And so you can never for me, you can never separate those two because because theology is the work we do, you know, so anyone who takes the Bible and then poles, maybe an axiom from the Bible says, This is what we live by. That is a theological, now you’re making a theological statement, or because of this verse, this is who God is. Right? You’ve now moved into the realm of theology, and theology just broadens that conversation, right? say, Okay, well, what does that how do we interpret that? And that’s why all of the traditions, you know, I think it’s, it’s really important for us to know, within Protestant tradition, Catholic tradition, and an orthodox, that that commonality is scripture. I mean, you can almost say that commonality is Jesus, the living word, and scripture, the written word. And then it is, you know, the differences, really, maybe in our theology is what we’ve said about those two things, right, how we’ve interpreted them, how, how we’ve applied them, but we have that commonality. And I think we often need to remind ourselves of that commonality, and remind ourselves that it’s never just it’s never just scripture without interpretation. It’s

always organic. It’s always been an organic art. theology has been it’s, it’s, and, you know, I can understand how that that can make some folks uncomfortable, but it’s always been that way, even in conservative evangelicalism. It’s always been that way. Right? You know, there’s folks that think dispensationalism has been around forever and it kind of ain’t true. Hey, yeah. You know, Carl Bart, I guess famously, I don’t know, sort of like Mark Twain everything you want to say the Mark Twain said theologically, yes, tribute had to borrow so much stuff. And I never read the whole church semantics. So he must have said that somewhere but you know, somewhere in there, the Christian should have the Bible in one hand and like the newspaper in the other. Yeah. And, and, and you’re, you’re, it’s kind of a symbiotic kind of thing. Because you’re in you’re interpreting and looking at the world that you live in, in existence through the revelation that you find in Scripture. But the way you experience that is, is is in the context of the world that you live in. Yeah. It’s sort of like what, and I know, this gets controversial too. I think there’s a lot of misunderstanding about what was going on with that. But what supposedly is going on when it was working well, with the base communities, and liberation theology? Yeah, in Latin America particularly. Yeah. So. So really, the the text, I mean, what you use to reflect theologically on stuff is scripture. Yeah. But you you look at scripture, and then you go out and you live your life. And then you come back and look at scripture in what does it have to say about what you have just experienced? Right, which is deliberative theology. What was happening with that was its, you know, for example, a bunch of Nicaraguan peasants actually, you know, doing theology, which may have scared a lot of professional theologians. Yeah. But, you know, these folks are trying to find out what God’s will is for them in the culture they live in, and the economy they live in, yeah, how they’re supposed to, you know, walk the Christian life and think about life around them. Whereas some people that didn’t like that may have been writing books that nobody actually reads. Anyway.

Right. So what in that movement? I think it really highlighted this move to where you connect that gap between theology and the practical, right, and we call it in practice. And and that, and that may be Where, where, in other theological traditions, particularly maybe in the evangelical tradition, there has been this separation between theology and practice, because maybe we’re not applying it in that sense in in certain realms, right.

That’s true. I actually heard someone else say, and I may be quoting from the same book here, I just can’t remember the author’s. So I’m trying to make her like, I read tons of books for this podcast. But yeah, there are two problems with with that we typically have is orthodoxy without active commitment, and orthopraxy without thoughtful theological reflection. Yeah, and both of those things are needed. But the one, the one common denominator in that is the theological reflection. Right? Right. It’s just it’s, it’s inescapable.

And you can attach that back to Biblical interpretation as well. Right? So you thinking I often go to that, that passage in Isaiah, Isaiah 61, that Jesus then reads later and and says, within this, it’s been fulfilled, right? Make heard it makes a lot of friends in the synagogue, right? He but it’s that passage that the Spirit of the Lord has on me, right. And I have come to proclaim good news to the poor, to the captive to give sight to the blind. And if you’re in Nicaragua, like and speaking of that, you’re saying, Whoa, good news to the poor. You go and apply that to physically poor, right? economically poor, but sometimes in an amazing American context, we can read that and just spiritualize it, right. God has come to to, to Jesus has come to speak to the spiritually poor, we’re all poor, and sinful. What are you looking Luke are Matthew, right? And, and we, and we have that distinction between then maybe practically how we apply it, but but so it’s interesting, right? It comes back to that biblical interpretation, then gets gets fleshed out in theology, but then notice how that then affects what we actually do in the world. Right? So right, so for the peasants in Nicaragua, it was we need to then focus on the poor, and we need to focus on the economies that Hey, what’s going on in this injustice. But often, maybe sometimes in American theology, if we spiritualize that interpretation, then we can talk about Jesus in that and never really have to talk about the economic poor. And so, again, another example for me of how thinking theologically can be can be influenced by our biblical interpretation, and then that definitely influences the, the outcome or the or the practical application, right of that. Right.

Right. We actually talked a little bit about that. I was just reminding that on a podcast we did a few podcasts ago. Yeah. With with actually our author Kelly kopeck. And we talked a little bit about the Gnostic tendencies, even in American evangelicals. And I really think you can see that in what you just said, Mark is that the danger with spiritualizing everything is you sort of fall into this bifurcated universe that then that your, your, what you think about God, your experience of God actually doesn’t really have much to do with what happens here in this in the real world, we start talking about the real world, right? what the real world is all, you know, under the sovereignty of God, what are you talking? Yeah, yeah, but practically, we tend not to think that way. Eric, go once again, the importance of thinking theologically, about this stuff.

Yeah, cuz, I mean, we can, we can live in that realm of spiritualizing. And then that ultimate Escape is actually leaving the earth. Right. And, and going to heaven. And and we never get to that point of like, what is our lived experience here? And what does God have to say about that? Right? What does God have to say? And that’s, we really get to flesh that out in the realm of theology, and being deliberate with that. So I think part of maybe the purpose of this show, is to, you know, let us ramble a little bit on on our love of one of our favorite topics. Yeah, exactly. We could, we could talk all day on this, folks. But I think part of it too, for me, and this is to help our students and help you as listeners, is, is to help us keep reminding ourselves that we’re all theologians, right? We’re all theologians, we all engage in theology, we have a core set of beliefs about God. And that core set of beliefs affects how we live our lives, right? That’s right. And so so it’s so important for us to, to actually do the hard work of theology, which is to be deliberate to, to read Scripture, to to look at the life of Jesus and say, Wow, how is God revealed in Christ? And to do that work of wrestling and resting in these mysteries, you know, knowing that, and this is maybe where theology has gotten a bad rap to knowing in theology that we’re not going to know all the answers, we’re still going to see through a glass darkly. Yeah, we’re in. So we have to, we have to know that we have to know our limitations. And that’s one thing I’ve always appreciated that I think I really learned from Bart, is the idea that, well, just a reminder that Well, God cannot be brought down and put under the microscope, when we never stand above God. Right. So so we don’t wouldn’t want you to leave this episode thinking we, you know, you’re going to figure everything out about God, and that will change the way you live. That’s another podcast. Yeah, that’s probably not one that we do. Right. Right. But it’s more of doing that work of, of understanding God and how God has revealed himself to the world. And, and then living and reacting in that, right and knowing that, and that takes a biblical interpretation. It takes understanding Jesus and also like, the Catholic highlights, it takes in communion with the saints. Right? Right. Which, in our tradition, we don’t often talk about that, but but the idea of, but we do in a certain way, and this one thing that’s been interesting to me, we do highlight the the lives people live, and how we’re influenced by them. And that’s really, for me, that’s, I think, what the saints represent, like, they were people who, who lived the Christian life in a unique way, that their story impacts others, right. And, and you see those you see those saints even now, even if they never, you know, and we can talk about like, the actual thing of sainthood or something like that, but, but living in the communion of saints is looking at different Christians who have lived or deliberately, who have allowed theology to influence their lives. And and also learning from them.

An important question that I’ve heard is, is is theology an individual discipline? Or is it a communal discipline? Of course, there’s a false dichotomy there. But yeah, but in many ways, it’s unavoidably inescapably a communal discipline to because we don’t we don’t see all the joys in a vacuum. Right. And we weren’t meant to theologizing or backtracking if God is who God has revealed to be through Scripture and through the living word, Jesus.

Yeah. We do our theology in a context and in a community right. And, and so yeah, part of part of this is maybe helping you as listeners realize you are theologians, and you’re doing theology in a community and in a context so you need others is not just you in your room with you know, Calvin’s Institute’s, or or coins. minuses work, right? So

some of our, you know, freshmen, sophomore and junior listeners out there. Just because we say you are theologians, which you are doesn’t mean that you can like clip out of Christian theology, you just have to take, you still have to take the

right. You don’t have to have a theology degree to become a theologian, but you do have to take the class. Right, right to get that, but, but now we’re hoping we’re hoping this conversation just just helps you even start to think and this is, you know, the crazy thing about being a human is we can think about thinking, right? So we want you to think about thinking theologically, and and what that could mean for your life. And how that could deepen your understanding of who God is who God has been revealed in Christ and in Scripture. And then Wow, how you then apply that, and that moves and so, so we hope you are in maybe inspired by this, to do a little bit of the work of theology, pick up maybe some of these sources, right and talking about and, and dive into theology, knowing that that incorporates the life of Jesus through the Scripture, the life of the saints, the saints who live around you, you get to be in community with right and then ultimately that will spill into your your practical life. And so, be encouraged. You are a theologian. That’s right. Even without taking the class, you’re still a theologian. And maybe, you know, listen to the podcast helps you be a little bit more deliberate.

Perhaps you can, you can borrow, you know, Mark selection. No, Sunday. There

you go. I’ll post them on the internet. Okay. I’m sure they’re already out there already. Five Luke Chile’s vine, yeah. Hey, there we go. We won’t go there. Yeah, we will. We will hope you enjoy the show. And we’ll see you next time on just a thing. Thank you for listening to Jessup. Think Be sure to follow us on Twitter at Jessup think we would love to hear your thoughts on the episode and engage with any questions you have. Our aim is to provide a framework for further reflection and deeper exploration of these important topics. You can also help the show by leaving a review on iTunes these reviews help the podcast reach new listeners. Until next time, I’m Mark Moore and this is Jessup.

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