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The War on Christmas

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The War on Christmas

Mark and Rex reflect on the holiday season while addressing the true war on Christmas.


Welcome to Jessup think I’m your host Mark Maher and your co host Rex Gurney and racks it is Christmas time. I

am so excited. You can feel the crisp air outside. Here the jingle bells and hot cocoa. Oh my gosh, yeah.

fireplace in

the studio is the most wonderful time of the year.

I do love Christmas, though. I mean, if you know me, then you know that I do have a Harper

really all things Christmas. You’re not one of those guys that starts playing Christmas music on July the fourth. Oh, no, I

have a very strict Thanksgiving. Okay. Okay. Okay. But I do have a two step process to get me into the Christmas spirit. Okay, so after Halloween, November 1 starts what I like to call Sinatra season. So just kind of the standards, not Christmas music, but still Martin Sinatra, Tony Bennett, like, the classics, but just their standards. And then it kind of gets you into that. I don’t know for me Why? Like,

probably because this association with nostalgia. Yes, some ways. And Christmas is a very nostalgic season. Nothing bad about that. It’s just

yeah, I think it is. And I think you have something. And I was like, yeah, just some about that. Maybe the way the mid 20th century captured Christmas. Even if it was artificial. I still am nostalgic about the way they you know, and

speaking about the mid 20th century and artificial things. Mark, what do you remember with your family of origin when you’re growing up about what was just one of your favorite Christmas traditions in your family when you were growing up?

I mean, I think the one that I remember the most is that on Christmas morning, and I’m the youngest of four. So I had three older siblings, older sister and two older brothers and there’s you know, there’s kind of a about seven or eight years in between all of us have span. And so when I’m kind of young Elementary, my oldest siblings are kind of high school, so and I could never understand why they would still be asleep on Christmas. Oh, yeah. Like how are they sleeping? We have presence but one thing that my family did is before we could open any present my dad had to read the Christmas story. Okay, out of Luke two okay. Out of the King James Version. And

did you have a Charlie Brown music on I know I wish

we probably having like Sinatra record. And that was back in the day when houses you had it wasn’t retro yet. It was you still just had a record player in your rights right? There. Right. The you know, I try to tell people tell students now like my parents and grandparents were cool before cool even happen because they just had a record player that’s right in their living room. That’s right there. That’s right. And so my dad would read it and I’m pretty certain that he read it as slowly as possible. I get fidgety. Like, I would just take forever guy. But it was also something that I really appreciated. And now even kind of carry that on with our family kind of make, you know, I’ve got it, you got to pass on the suffering. You can’t just Okay, you got to extend that. But what about you? What are some?

Well, um, so I grew up in New Mexico. And one of the things that was no, it depends, but often often there’s snow, especially in northern New Mexico, right? elevation, right. It’s mainly elevation. But there’s sort of a tradition, it’s kind of gone almost semi nationwide now, but it really sort of started in in northern New Mexico. And it’s of lighting luminarias on Christmas Eve. Oh, and it’s kind of an old Spanish tradition, basically, or at least Spanish American tradition. And what you do is you only do it really, one night of the year. Um, sometimes they’ll do it on New Year’s Eve. But that’s seldom mismanages Christmas Eve because no electric lights are allowed on this to do it the right way. Right. You take the brown paper sacks, you fold them over, there’s an art to that you fill them with real sand and you put a votive candle in it takes forever to set it up, just set it up one night, and then you light all the darn things, but outline your sidewalks and your houses and everything. And then whole neighborhoods will turn their lights off. It is just absolutely that. It’s so cool. It’s just so cool. And so what we would do is every Christmas Eve, my family would just go on the luminaria Tour, which is kind of something you do in Albuquerque and just kind of go around those neighborhoods and you drive by or walk around or stuff and it’s great. Anyway, current tradition is that so my wife’s Latina and so this is all Something I’ve learned that more people are just doing is we will have after we get home from Christmas Eve service will have Pistole my wife we working on it all day. Okay, we’ll have it the Model S, and she’ll be making the guacamole and her great salsa and we’ll just have kind of a Mexican feast on Christmas Eve. Everybody totally looks forward to that.

Oh, yeah, I was gonna say

it’s a wonderful thing. So we can do the, I guess, American thing on Christmas Day, but on Christmas Eve, it’s a Mexican thing. And however, lately, the episode has gone cold. And the tamales aren’t tasting like they should have in the past. Because I don’t know if you have heard but there’s a war on Christmas. Ah, and it’s just, it’s just the other day, I was actually at one of the big box stores. And instead of you know, saying Merry Christmas to me, they they said Season’s Greetings. And I heard that that happens more and more. There is a veritable war on Christmas, which I guess is a war on Christians because it’s our holiday. All right. And somehow, you know, there’s a there’s a there’s a war on AI Pretty soon, we won’t even be able to sync Christmas carols from what I understand. So I’m, uh, I’m really concerned.

our listeners are very like, wait, what just happened? And we just turn a corner. But no, we did. We didn’t want to bring that up. Like because it is. You know, we’ve heard a lot, especially in the last Right. I mean, five years at least, this is kind of war on christmas that’s become kind of this culture war, right. been described as a secular versus Christian war. right and right. And there’s been kind of attempts to maybe reclaim a holiday,

right? boycott a store that won’t say Merry Christmas,

in it. And it seems to be Starbucks cups that don’t have right right on him. Right. Oh, my gosh, we wanted to kind of talk about it. Because in some ways, I think you and I agree, although coming into it. I didn’t know as I thought maybe we were going to wrestle on this one, you know, they, but it for me, it seems like it’s a it’s a perceived war. And in in many ways, it kind of misses the point. And kind of misses the point of, of maybe even there are some things maybe we’d lost with Christmas, right? lost focus. But it kind of is maybe an easier way out to put the blame than on secularism, or add on that, that one of maybe take a look back and say, Okay, what what, What part do we take part in, in in a secular rising Christmas?

What way? Can we reclaim what it is that perhaps we think that we either lost ourselves or has been stolen from us? with that? And of course, you know, as a as a history guy, I guess, you know, I have to remind folks that that Christmas has always been sort of a suspect holiday. In the last 2000 years of Christendom, it’s really only been in the last couple of 100. Well, yeah, a couple 100 years. Some people you know, will actually blame the Victorian era, or maybe Charles Dickens or something for inventing the modern, nostalgic sort of Christmas. But, you know, the Puritans wouldn’t celebrate it. The pilgrim fathers when they came over, you know, there literally was a war on Christmas, but it was by the wrong people. It was actually it was by the Puritans, right. It was a good guys who did it right. And, but I’ve often heard, and I think that there has always been something to it. And I understand and resonate with some of these common complaints about the Christmas season. It’s too secular, you know, somehow Santa Clauses has, you know, taken the place of Jesus, like, put Christ back into Christmas. Right. You know, and I understand that Christmas is to pagan, you know, it has it has all these pagan accretions onto it, right? Christmas trees, Hollies, all this kind of stuff? Right? Or, and this is one of the most common is Christmas is to commercial. Right. And, you know, if it wasn’t for the Christmas season, I mean, half of our retailers would would be in, you know, right. The red. Yeah, you’re wrong is really true. And unfortunately, because of Christmas, you know, half of our households are in the red for at least six months of the year. Right. So So I guess one thing that, you know, I’d like us to, at least think about is, are there some ways for those of us that see those as actual problems that we can do, if not necessarily in our culture, although maybe there are ways we can influence the culture. I think that’s an important thing for Christians to do, but at least in our own families, and our own spheres of influence in our own communities. Are there things we can recover? And I think that’s one reason why we started this whole podcast before it went off into left field. Turning on talk radio before turning radio on traditions. Because I think traditions are really important. Yeah. And and I think both of us with our families have have at least tried to be with more or less success. Proactive on non family traditions, you know, right. You know, what are the things we remember with a warm glow in our heart? When What do we want our kids to remember? You know, with a warm glow in their hearts. Yeah, might not necessarily be the same thing. But But there’s something good about that.

Right? And it doesn’t have to be this like sharp, secular Christian divide, right? That that we can I mean, I, I love Christmas movies, and I have a list of ones that I watch every year during that, and I’ve been able to kind of pass that on to the boys to where the boys even be like, Oh, hey, we haven’t watched that yet. You know, and I start crying. So

what’s your favorite Christmas music? movie movie?

Oh, probably favorite. favorite Christmas movie? Definitely It’s a Wonderful Life is up there like always as part of the classic. And then the the 1966 Grinch. So Dr. Seuss Grinch the cartoon version although the Jim Carrey Ron Howard version it you know, it is what it is, and it does. But then, probably, but the main one that I always come back to is A Christmas Carol, and particularly the 1954.

We have a real connoisseur of

Allister sim plays plays Scrooge and I just think he captures it. And so that’s one it’s still in black and white. I just want to always go back to now also like Christmas vacation and all those kind of more modern classics,

little plug for literature. I guess one of my favorite novel novels is actually on by john Irving called a prayer for Owen meany. Right. And one of the best set pieces in that whole long book is a school version or church version of the Christmas carol going horribly wrong. Right? It’s just hilarious. Yeah,

it is. Again, so I usually I usually tried to even read A Christmas Carol and then watch cuz the other one that’s on par with the 1954. One would be the Muppet Christmas Carol. For some reason the Muppets just capture, capture it. But I’m able to pass those on the boys and also my love for Christmas lights. And so in Sacramento, we love going down to the fab 40s. And just the whole streets that are street line. So we’re trying very hard to be a destination cul de sac

we want to get into Sacramento Bee is one of the places you’re gonna go. But unfortunately, we can’t get the cooperation I want from the neighbors. Everyone gotta get everybody on board. But we’re trying to do the Griswold thing a little bit more every year until literally myself is that the true spirit of Christmas? That is that is something folks you can do. You can just can just go for it.

Right, just decorate your house. But I mean, you can have that right and also have the the more sacred element Ryan that I think for our family and for our church really has been the Christmas Eve service. Okay, like the and you and I have talked about this before that, especially in the evangelical world. We haven’t always had a Christmas Eve. We haven’t embraced that.

Yeah, the church. I grew up in a large Baptist Church in Albuquerque. We never had a Christmas Eve service ever, ever. And I remember my first pastor when I was kind of appalled that they’d never had a Christmas Eve service Baptist Church. I was pastoring I suggested one and we had it because you know, new pastor, you need to kind of you know, let him do it. But I remember the deacons basically saying nobody’s going to come to this. This is whatever we never had a you don’t do this kind of thing is to Catholic right. Yeah, whatever fear and, and of course, the room was packed when we had it because everybody wanted to come down. They had just not had the permission. So Christmas Eve service.

Yeah, come heap service, and some

more or 30 of them starting back like Thanksgiving, like some churches that we know.

That’s different. That’s it, that’s a different thing. Okay. But within that, like I think within like a Christmas Eve service, especially for our family is like kind of taking part of the candlelight. I mean, it’s something that we can kind of really just good family time. And so I think we try to make this dichotomy in in some ways. We set up the war, right? Like we set up the battle we set up the us versus them, right. And in within it, like I feel like there is room for for all of that. I mean, there’s room for some of the commercial things of Christmas that are a part of our culture, but also in the sacred. We can also though, maybe take a step back and say hey, what have I just been maybe mindlessly going along with and maybe be more intentional, more thoughtful,

and you You know, there are some things, you know, practices that have traditionally practiced in the church. And still, although that’s changing with globalization of American culture, but But until very recently, it’s still been practicing in in some of the countries, particularly Latin American countries is a little bit different way of looking at Christmas. These are the some other days in what we would call the Christmas season. So I often will ask my students when we’re talking about this, it’s like so there’s this song, the 12 Days of Christmas, right? So how many loads? Right? And so when does the 12 Days of Christmas start, and you can just see the the math going on in their heads? It’s like 25 minus 12 equals 13. Carry December, December 13, is when it starts. And it’s like, No, actually, that whole song and that whole tradition, the 12 Days of Christmas start at Christmas, and one goes through epiphany. And it’s really interesting, because in a number of cultures, the kids didn’t get their gifts on Christmas, they got their gifts on epiphany, and so that made Christmas just Christmas. Just religious holiday. Hmm. Yeah, you just take all this other stuff. I mean, you said the whole season stuff and everything right. But But Christmas itself is not when necessarily you have the feast. You have the family thing. Yeah. You go to church. you’re celebrating Christ’s activity in the incarnation. Yeah, but the gift stuff is going to happen 12 days later. In fact, in Spain, up until recently, they didn’t send Christmas cards. Nobody says Christmas cards anymore anyway, but they didn’t send Christmas cards. They sent a data set off re smuggles, which is like wise men cards, because you sent them at a Pippin had epiphany, because that’s when you did it. And so it’s the idea of race Margot’s is the day that the kids get their gifts and say, it’s just a whole totally different thing. But now, you know, don’t try this at home with your family. Because there’s no way in the world you’re going to convince your kids that they’re not going to get they gotta wait till. But at least, you know, there are some examples of how you can just look at it a little bit differently.

Right. And it seems like the church calendar can help us Right, right. Yeah. So you have the kind of the 12 Days of Christmas, but then you also have the Advent season. Right, leading up right. And, and now and we’ve really at our church, we’ve kind of started to implement that the last kind of 11 years since I’ve been there. In the idea of, hey, this season after Thanksgiving, and leading up this is a time for us to prepare, right for for all of these kind of rituals that we have come Oh,

Come Emmanuel is actually not a Christmas. Advent him.

Yeah. And it’s this waiting period. And I really feel like that that time is helpful to kind of have that extended time of being like, Hey, what do these Sundays of Advent represent? Right, that that culminate in Christ, this peace and love and joy. And, and some have the candle of faith. I mean, there’s different names for the candles. Now, we’ve kind of evangelicalism a little bit, but kind of having those traditional candles and say, Hey, this is the Sunday of a candle of hope. Right? And

what does this represent? What is what is Christ’s incarnation represent? And it’s a great time to get families as family units involved in this because you know, what we will do at our church is one of the well, we’re what we try to do at our church works, right? Yeah, we have a family come up and one of the kids will like the Advent candles or depending on when they’re, you know, what Sunday they’re at, and the parent will read the Scripture or say the prayer. So it’s kind of a family sort of thing. Right. And you know, we’re all about family. And that’s a good thing. Yeah. It’s interesting, though, I didn’t grow up with Advent. Even though I grew up in the evangelical church. And I had a hard time in my, actually, in both of the churches that I passed her they had never celebrated Advent before I came. And it’s interesting, the rationale behind it. Um, you know, some of it was, and literally, I’m not making this stuff up. It’s just what it is right? Advent, that means candles, can have candles and church because you have candles in church, that’s to Catholic and so we can’t do that. It’s just, it’s just amazing. Some of the stereotypes are in place. heads when actually it’s not a Catholic or Protestant thing. It’s a Christian thing throughout the centuries and the church calendar, right. Like the Christian year does not start on January the first. It starts on the first Sunday of Advent. Yeah. And the last Sunday, the Christmas here is what Christ the King Sunday. I mean, it’s an amazing thing if you’ll follow it. Right, right.

Yeah, it really is and it and I think that’s important. It creates this patterns of, of a way that you can keep and maintain cane these holidays that also have have secular celebrations as well. It maintains the sacredness of them

if you do it if you if you’re intentional with it right. Now, it’s interesting, right, since since now, it’s interesting how we can rack up anything and everything right. You know, as a human problem, it’s not a sectarian problem. But yeah, I’ve seen advent calendars that they’ll sell now, you know, and what they are suggest the time leading up to Christmas, but what they are is you had the kids come and they open the door, and there’s a chocolate treat, you know, but the whole thing’s just chocolate tree. Right. There’s no religious anything with that, but that’s somehow celebrating Advent. advent calendars like that. It’s Whoa, we’ve been destroyed. Turn it into that.

And yeah, and, and yeah, and I think maybe, with that, because that’s, I mean, like, and that is, that’s, that’s a, a, a tradition that we have in our house. And, but also with that, I think what I hear you saying too, is how can we be intentional with that? Right? It’s okay, yeah, we have the chocolates. And that’s great. Like, that’s wonderful. But with that, like, hey, how can we represent like this Advent season,

though? We do this hearing We do this because of that. Right? This is Yeah, this that we did in the this that we do happens to be preparing the way the Lord

one one thing that I’ve always really appreciated on my may why I love Christmas, and maybe why I love Christmas, Carol, the book and then read all the movie versions, is it, I think it does capture this spirit of Christmas as a time where people can change. When when there’s a time that that people are a little bit more aware of how they treat other people, they’re a little bit more aware of people in need. There may be a little bit more aware of their own brokenness and their own inability to look out for others. And and I think that story of a Scrooge is that story of someone in the story of the Grinch as well, right is the story of someone growing into that.

And it’s really interesting, if it wasn’t for, you know, Christendom and the Christian faith and the Christian year and Christmas being no matter how it started off, right, at least now a Christian holiday. Yeah, even when you try to secularize the holiday and still celebrate whatever Christmas becomes, you still have that sort of giving sort of thing. And that does not arise in a vacuum. It arises from the Christian faith.

Right. Right. It’s, and I think that’s something that we can highlight without right without it becoming this culture war, right. Or Christmas or war on Christmas. Rather celebrate that man, there is a literally international holiday, that whether you like it or not, it comes back to the Christian faith.

Exactly. And you’re doing hopefully, Christian. Well, Christian virtues are highlighted.

Yeah, Christian virtues are highlighted. It’s like, hey, let’s use that as maybe a starting point as a as a jumping off off point. Instead of just being like, Hey, you need to put this back in, say, hey, yeah, well, can we this Christmas holiday that we all love? Man? How can we highlight these Christian virtues? And like you said, even just being like, Hey, you know where that comes from? It does come from right. And Christ really does embody those virtues. And

so you feel this way because of the season. But the the seasons, feelings come from somewhere. And so even if you’re not aware of why there’s joy in the season, well, it actually is the joy of Christ. That’s where this comes from. And if it wasn’t for that, it would not be here. Yeah. However, we all know that for many people, Christmas is a very, very difficult time to Yeah,

that’s the truth. And,

and I’ve actually not fully, you know, try to figure out if the way we look at Christmas, even as Christians is partly culpable for the dark side. And the downside of that. Because for many people, Christmas is the most depressing time of the year. Yeah. Yeah. And, of course, a lot of that has to do with broken families and stuff. But right, but really the season. I mean, I’m not saying this is just an example. Yeah, the season itself carries its own healing, if you will allow it to. So my mother died a few days before Christmas. And her funeral was on Christmas Eve. And I remember this is years ago, I was in my 20s when she died. Yeah. And I remember thinking at the time, oh, no, this is going to ruin Christmas Eve forever for me, right. Yeah. But of course, that’s not what happened. Hmm. Because it has its own healing in it. Yeah. You know, and that healing actually comes from God. I really believe right? Yeah, and so on. There’s just something about about it. That’s powerful. And we know what that is.

Right. And I think that’s why it’s important for the church, to be very mindful of the Christmas season and to be looking for those who need help who need family who need community. That’s, I think that’s a place that a role that church can fill in those seasons of like, we can be family together, and us as individual family units and Christians. Are we mindful of the people on our streets, on our blocks, our neighbors who might be widowers are lonely who are might live just alone? And they like, are we mindful of including them? Or how

many people at our Christmas Eve services, maybe even in our own churches? That after the service come home to an empty house? Yeah. We’re we’re all going home to the bussola and the tamales. Right, you know, right. And, and, you know, the only you knows, talking to them and getting to know them, and then right, you can always invite them over to your house. Right. So it’s a wonderful thing. We’ve been the recipients of that kind of generosity.

Yeah, we have to and and that was something that I think my parents really set an example for me that we always had, it seemed like we always had a random person at one of our holidays. That was someone from church who needed community for years. We, we and this actually, this is my wife’s doing not mine. So I can’t take credit for this. But we knew somebody was involved with

ministry to international students in the area. And so um, we would ask if there’s some that are here that don’t have any place to go, Rasmus right, you know, and so we’ve had them over for Christmas Day, several times. And actually one of the one of the students, we’re still in contact with It’s been years and years and years. He’s living in New York now, whatever, but still, you know, where he remembers that, and we did for a couple years with him. And so that’s, that’s a good thing, too. Right. So I do have one more question. Okay. At least one more. So I can

talk about Christmas. Oh,

I know. I know. I want to get back to the commercialism ankle here. Okay, let’s start. So, um, did you overdo it? The first time that your first kid was conscious for Christmas was

I do feel like that almost every time I feel like man, are we overdoing it Han

on we totally did with our with our oldest son. He was his like, he’s when he was two is actually before Josh was born. So he was almost three and two and a half. Gosh, it’s been so long.

Oh my gosh.

Anyway, it’s like he knows what Christmas is. He’s a little taller. But he knows what it is. And we can actually give him real gifts now. Correct. Right. Right. And everybody can so I look back on pictures, right. And I see a picture of him by a Christmas tree that we have. And like it’s the whole floors littered with these gifts we got for him, right? Yeah, no. We swore after that Christmas, right. Never again, never again. And when I really learned about about that was, we were living in Virginia, and it was during the first wave of the Jurassic Park. craze. Yeah. And so of course, we had to buy I think it was my oldest Carl, we had to buy him one of these $40 Tyrannosaurus Rex pushes the button and like each thing. Yeah, thing that I mentioned $40 $40. And this is back. This is back in like 93 or whatever. And we’re kind of impatient. So Oh, my gosh, right. So anyway, and I remember so he unwraps it. And of course, immediately that trying to source rikes tries to eat his younger brother. Right, right. And of course, within an hour, it’s busted. Yeah. And so that was another one of those never again moments, right? So we kind of did. And I mean, I’m not saying this to be virtuous, because you can do these things, all kinds of different ways. And there were probably a number of things that reasons why we got to this place, but it’s like, you’re gonna get one gift for Christmas, it’s gonna be a good one. And you know, your grandma’s always gonna send you stuff and stuff and whatever, but it’s like, your socks, you know? You get one thing and it’s not like, you know, we, you know, we buy you stuff all year long. Right? Right, and what you need we give you and we give you gifts or whatever, it’s just that you’re just gonna have this one thing. And what we’ve tried to do instead of things like this Tyrannosaurus Rex, they just bus within an hour is try to give them experience, right, instead of just things. Yeah. You know, because the things always break the experiences are with them sort of forever, right? So we’ve really kind of worked hard doing that. That’s and you have to be proactive. Right? You know, and yeah, and so we would just do things with them that, that they’ll remember. Yeah. And use the money we would spend on things. You know, they get their thing. And it’s a good thing. Yeah. So it’s not like, you know, we’re ignoring the Christmas thing, but right. But, um,

anyway, yeah, kind of use that. I like that kind of giving experiences. And then also, and and honestly, we haven’t always, I haven’t always been good at this. But I think also teaching your children generosity during this run, right? How are we, with our blessings giving to others in need? How are we volunteering our time? How are we just giving back to the community and Christmas is not a quid pro Pro. Right?

Which, you know, I would find out exactly how much money my sister was spending on mine. And I would make sure that I didn’t spend a cent more. Like who was I? Thank you. Yeah,

right. Oh, my God. It become Yeah, this Yeah. Okay. Well, now they give me I have to ride my bike. How

did how did it get that way?

Just maybe letting letting generosity lead but also wisdom lead, whereas 28 million gifts at break in an hour, and you’re still paying for him in? July?

Right? And right. Yeah, but that’s another web. That’s another webcast. podcast. Oh, we’re expanding. We’ve been talking about getting. That’s That’s it? That’s another podcast? Yeah. One 2x. Right.

Well, I’m glad that we at least one we won the war on christmas today,

I feel so much better.

I think we want to I really do. It’s ours again. But not hope we just you know, made you as listeners and even ourselves to just think about this season, that it is such a wonderful season. And, and it’s a season that we need to be intentional, that we need to be intentional about maybe keeping in balance, the secular and the sacred, and, and loving and exploring all these traditions. And understanding that man, all of this does come back to who Christ is and what he’s done for us. Right. And the love, joy, and peace and everything that comes from this season comes from him.

I hate cliches, and I hate bumper stickers, but it is actually in the end true that Jesus is the reason for the seasons.

And it is true, it is true. And I think that we can keep that in a way that isn’t an us versus them. Right. Right that we can just embody that and embody the the generosity in the life and the love of Jesus. And that’s a way to remember the season, right? So we do from Rex Nye, we hope that you have a Merry Christmas. And we hope that you watch all of the Christmas movies, eat all the cookies.

And you know to try some petroleum tamales. You know, you don’t have to be Mexican to eat that.

Hey, sign me up. Right. So we’re gonna end the show with a segment I like to call the student becomes the teacher becomes the student. And I’m really excited to have Matthew Todd, one of our students here Jessa It’s me. Yeah, it is Matthew Todd. And Matt, What year are you here?

I’m a sophomore here. Okay,

sophomore here. Let’s go. Yeah, second year. You’ve got everything under your belt. You know how you run this place? I know. I’m on the I’m on Jessup. Think That’s right. You are now I think he made it not quite a friend of the show yet. We’re working on it working on it. But I’m excited to have you cuz I got some questions for you. Matthew Todd, I know you like the full name. So Matthew Todd. Thank you. Now Matthew Todd, you are also a podcast host here at Jessup. It’s true. Yeah. What’s the name of your podcast?

That podcast is called exit 311.

So nice. Yep.

I run that a couple of my friends. I always talk about Jessup life from the perspective of a student

says great so you got we had two pod two Jessup podcast colliding to gargantuan that’s right over the podcast seen. Wow. Wonder Twins unite.

Right. That’s why they cast us artists.

Yeah, that’s right. Are you getting paid? Who hired you? Oh, no,

I don’t I suppose.

Yeah, you were Yeah, I renew my contract my age. All right. So here’s here’s the question. Okay, the question for you. Because I do need I need to learn this. Like, I don’t understand this. Why does Instagram have both? Like posts and stories? To go question? Like, why? What because people ask me all the time. Did you see my story? I’m like, was it in the thing? I’m

scrolling through the feed, right?

Yeah. Like why? Why would you? Why would you post some things on your story and not just want it to be on your feed? It makes no sense. Why isn’t your feed just your story?

There’s why the two out of three ish reasons I think for the Okay, yeah, so three, one of the reasons is that you want to talk about something. And but you only wanted to show it for like a little bit of time. So like maybe it’s like a birthday post, for example, and you don’t want your feed to your feed is like basically like, this is me. Like it should be like an art gallery of feed stays with you forever. Yes. And so the idea is that you would not have to go back and delete posts. Ideally, that’s like the ideal world is you can keep that stuff. Okay, so wait, I want learning. So, stories go away, stories go away 24 hours, and your story is gone. So you post that you can never pick up on it again. And now it’s gone. You can archive it and you can, it will give you memory. So a year later, it’ll be like, remember this story? Like,

is that how it sounds?

Yeah, goes remember? Like? That’s one time your headphones and most people don’t have? Yeah, you have to

have the sound on?

Exactly. So that’s a little.

That’s pretty good reason. Okay, that’s making more sense. I was unclear. That was the first reason.

Second reason is that some people for their feed, they like to have a certain look to it. And so sometimes like they want it to have like sometimes people do like, they’ll do like rows or so yeah, like a row, you do three posts in a row, which will make like, basically like a row of your feed to be like matching all orange stuff or something like that, where it’s all like matching. with you. Yeah, it’s called their aesthetic, right. So you want to you want to fit the same mold there. That’s great. So if you want to post something else, and you don’t want to ruin the aesthetic, you can put it on your story. Just show it to people.

Well, that I feel like I’ve learned something. Matthew Todd, thanks. Thank you for that. You’re welcome. Now, this also so you’ve taught me now maybe here’s a chance. Here, I think you have a question for me, you

have a question for you. I want to understand more about those who have preceded me. And there was something specifically you mentioned, when you were talking about this opportunity, you said something that I might want to know is why a bunch of older guys walk around with cell phone clips. But what that made me wonder is, what is a Cell Phone Clip? Because I haven’t even reached that. Yeah, you don’t even have the question. Yeah, my understanding is that it’s obviously so some kind of clip, right? That hold yourself. Right. The issue with that being? Don’t you have pockets?

Right? So you do you do have pockets? Okay. But I think as you get older, there’s something called convenience that you like. Okay, so you want? So a Cell Phone Clip? If you haven’t seen that yet? Yeah, there’s a clip that your cell phone can connect to, and it goes on your belt, I’m showing you Oh, can’t see this on the radio. But yeah, it clips to your belt, and then is easily accessible. There’s not in your back pocket, sometimes, you know, things can get lost in your pocket, and hard to get out. And you know, cell phone and sometimes Cell Phone Clip, you can have kind of wallet cell phone combo thing going on, right on your hip. And for some reason, I think is as you get older, and I’m entering right into those years where you’re like, sure, you know what, that’s just practical. Yeah. What are you trying to say? But that’s just practical. It’s kind of like, it’s kind of like the minivan, right? Oh, like the Cell Phone Clip is like the minivan of of life.

So not optimal by a longshot. But very practical, and it comes with a sigma factor,

but it’s very practical, right? You’re like I can fit a lot of kids in here. That’s true. Yeah, and so she was educated on Yeah, pictures every kid so Cell Phone Clip right there. Boom. Ready to talk? Yeah, that’s, that’s why so one day, you talk about it now but one day you will have a cell phone clip. Oh, standard issue. No. Get it till they work with smartphones. They do that distance they do. They definitely worked better with like the smaller flip phones. They were just like, bam. Yeah, there’s my phone. Kind of like a holster.

I understand. Yeah. With like, you got your BlackBerry just sling.

Yeah. Good old Blackberry.

I barely remember Blackberry. I was I was awake. I was like calm j or conscious. You have some vision of the world at that time. Exactly.

Well, I hope that you learned a little there and I definitely learned about Instagram. Thanks for being on the show. And I hope to see you again,

man. See you again. It’s been good.

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